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Old 10-04-2021, 08:34 AM
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HOFer for sure but a very low tier one in my opinion. Even Tim Hudson has 200 wins.
3 Cy Youngs and 2 second places. 2.49 career ERA. Dominant for a decade. Very low tier? No. Way.
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How do you view Greinke?
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Definite HOF, a tier or two below Kershaw, I would have to think about ranking him but maybe somewhere in the 30s or could slip to the 40s because his ERA while solid isn't in elite range.
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I don't know. Pitchers aren't as glamorous as hitters and to truly be an elite A-level HOFer I think you have to be a guy like Pedro or Randy Johnson and if you're not, there's not a lot that separates you from everybody else.
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I don't know. Pitchers aren't as glamorous as hitters and to truly be an elite A-level HOFer I think you have to be a guy like Pedro or Randy Johnson and if you're not, there's not a lot that separates you from everybody else.
Look at Kerhsaw's record. He had a run of 7 or so dominant years, not sure why you feel he isn't in at least the Pedro category. Big asterisk of course postseason but I'm leaving that out of the equation.

A full point of ERA separates him from Greinke.
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Randy won 4 CY in a row and struck out almost 5,000 batters. Pedro has 3,000 K's, which is akin to 3,000 hits. Kershaw has no milestone.
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Randy won 4 CY in a row and struck out almost 5,000 batters. Pedro has 3,000 K's, which is akin to 3,000 hits. Kershaw has no milestone.
Johnson clearly was better, but Johnson in my mind is a top 10 pitcher if not higher, never got the appreciation he deserved vis a vis Maddux and Clemens.

Pedro's great run is remarkably close to Kershaw's if you compare. And both won 3 Cys with 2 seconds during their runs.
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Google his name. Lots of pictures will come up. (I couldn't resist.)
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