1921-22 . E220 National Caramel

[sulldux]

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Hi Brian--Excellent research on the E220 set and its variations. Ive attached scans of Type 3 variations for Turner Barber and Art Wilson. I think you can add those to your database. It's interesting that the Type 3's are relatively scarce. Only 14% of my set (30 of 211)

Regards, Chris Sullivan

[SteveS]

Here are some of my E122s for comparison. Despite the obviously crappy condition, they are some of my favorites because I got the entire lot for a quarter at one of my first card shows in the mid-'70s when I was about ten years old.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by SteveS

Here are some of my E122s for comparison. Despite the obviously crappy condition, they are some of my favorites because I got the entire lot for a quarter at one of my first card shows in the mid-'70s when I was about ten years old.

Are we sure those are e122s?
Here is an e122 I used to own...I always look for the darkened, captioned area on the front bottom AND the back to determine if it's these or E220s....

[SteveS]

Oops. I meant e121. Somebody posted the e122s above, and it got stuck in my head. Sorry for the mistake. Getting older sucks.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by SteveS

Oops. I meant e121. Somebody posted the e122s above, and it got stuck in my head. Sorry for the mistake. Getting older sucks.

My type of cards, even if they are E121.

Brian

[ValKehl]

Brian, thanks for providing all this info re the 3 different backs backs that are found on the E220 cards, which I never knew. I'm trying to achieve a master set of Sam Rice's cards, and the only E220 card of Rice (shown below) I have is the more common Type 1. If anyone has a Type 2 or Type 3 card they are willing to part with, I'll be most appreciative. It is interesting that this card says Rice is a 3rd baseman - I don't believe he ever played this position.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Brian, thanks for providing all this info re the 3 different backs backs that are found on the E220 cards, which I never knew. I'm trying to achieve a master set of Sam Rice's cards, and the only E220 card of Rice (shown below) I have is the more common Type 1. If anyone has a Type 2 or Type 3 card they are willing to part with, I'll be most appreciative. It is interesting that this card says Rice is a 3rd baseman - I don't believe he ever played this position.

No problem Val. I like to share when it comes to card info. Definitely Type 3 cards of Rice have been seen. And you may get lucky with the Type 2...my research on these backs has been real sporadic over the years, so Rice may be one of those undiscovered Type 2 cards that are bound to be lurking out there.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by sulldux

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Hi Brian--Excellent research on the E220 set and its variations. Ive attached scans of Type 3 variations for Turner Barber and Art Wilson. I think you can add those to your database. It's interesting that the Type 3's are relatively scarce. Only 14% of my set (30 of 211)

Regards, Chris Sullivan

Hi Chris, thanks for posting those two Type 3 cards...I have updated the lists. These lists wouldn't be as robust as they are if I had never received inputs from the Net54 community.

Type 2 and Type 3 are definitely the less commonly seen backs on these. Because of this, my brain wants to come up with a likely printing scenario for them. I think it possible that since 93 cards have been verified, that all 120 cards are available as Type 3. And since only 46 have been verified having Type 2 backs, that perhaps 60 is a nice logical amount to have been printed.

Of course with vintage card production, things are rarely straightforward, but my logical brain wants them to be, so I predict (and decree) that the E220 National Caramel set is likely the rare exception.

Brian