PSA and SGC cases cracked without virtually any damage!

[Oscar_Stanage]

what about this?
the first 3 are the upper left side. the 4th is straight on of the left side. 5 and 6 are of the opposite edge for comparison
5 and 6 are the right side. .

I bought this from Ebay and I did not notice the slab... but looking at the card itself, I thought 8.5 was a bit generous as there is some corner touches and a mark on top border. this seller just posted another 8.5 immediately after, which i thought strange because you just don't see many SGC OPC Gretzkys...

anyway, the frosting looks odd, but I looked at a few cards that I sent in, and this does appear on other cards that I have sent in. so I am wondering if maybe it is just how they seal the case?

[Seven]

It's a shame the amount of fraud that potentially goes on in our beloved Hobby. My father was duped by a slab cracker many years ago when he purchased a card for me during my childhood. He's none the wiser, and I don't have the heart to tell him either. It really goes to show you that you should only buy from who you trust. I'm very wary of purchasing outside this board or from a handful of collectors/dealers that I've befriended through Facebook.

[swarmee]

PSA scans all cards over certain dollar amounts, based on the service level. I think SGC started to scan all cards submitted. The level of slab damage and frosting on cards straight from grading companies is inconsistent, whether it be to damage during the slabbing process or shipping them back.

The "new" flip in the OP looks to be the previous generation of flips (gray bar, not lighthouse) which seem to still be used for large bulk submitters who get much cheaper prices, and maybe that's why the slab is not the "current" BGS-like slab which is supposed to not crack without significant evidence.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by DanP

You couldn’t just carefully put super glue around the edges? Actually, when I get back tomorrow I’ll give that a try and send a picture.

No that doesn't work. You can do a cool fingerprint experiment though. If you touch the inside of the slab and try to seal it with super glue your fingerprint will show up really well.

Originally Posted by swarmee

PSA scans all cards over certain dollar amounts, based on the service level. I think SGC started to scan all cards submitted. The level of slab damage and frosting on cards straight from grading companies is inconsistent, whether it be to damage during the slabbing process or shipping them back.

The "new" flip in the OP looks to be the previous generation of flips (gray bar, not lighthouse) which seem to still be used for large bulk submitters who get much cheaper prices, and maybe that's why the slab is not the "current" BGS-like slab which is supposed to not crack without significant evidence.

Sure looks like the new lighthouse flip to me. Either way I have cracked out a signed rookie Tony Oliva or Pete Rose, can't remember what one. In the new slab about a year ago with very little damage, it's not that hard.

For me it has gotten to the point as a collector to buy mainly raw cards. There are so many graded card scams going on you have to know as much if not more to safely buy graded. That is if you actually care about the card and not the flip.

[bobbyw8469]

The cases I see all show major frosting that would be a red flag. Anyone remember this beauty Mile High was auctioning off?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Sure looks like the new lighthouse flip to me.

Ah, maybe it is. The back of the label is right. Maybe it's just the angle of the shot.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No that doesn't work. You can do a cool fingerprint experiment though. If you touch the inside of the slab and try to seal it with super glue your fingerprint will show up really well.



Sure looks like the new lighthouse flip to me. Either way I have cracked out a signed rookie Tony Oliva or Pete Rose, can't remember what one. In the new slab about a year ago with very little damage, it's not that hard.

For me it has gotten to the point as a collector to buy mainly raw cards. There are so many graded card scams going on you have to know as much if not more to safely buy graded. That is if you actually care about the card and not the flip.

See below. I can't see how anyone would know this slab was tampered with unless they knew to look closely at all of the edges. There are no fingerprints (no reason to touch inside the slab as you noted). I just put a very light amount of super glue to seal it. IMO it's unacceptable for PSA and SGC to not have tamper-resistant slabs like BGS, CSG and HGA. Yet, I pretty much only by PSA graded cards which I understand makes no sense. I check every slab I purchase carefully but also don't buy many cards over $1k.