Knickerbocker Photo (Update)

[SteveS]

Snowman, thank you for your input on the color. Please let me know if you get any takers and how you will decide a winner.

bdk1976, take a look at the 1889 photo of Wright that I posted, and also the one of his bending over golfing that Snowman posted. He's bald on top.

Shoeless Moe, the 1862 photo shows some of them standing, but as I pointed out earlier it is a composite cut-and-paste, and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that it can't be relied on to determine sizes. In the 1859 photo, which I've also posted, De Bost and Adams are standing next to each other and line up very well with the heights in my picture.

drcy, I find your MO interesting of editing your comments after people have already responded to them. It's happened pretty much every time. Very telling. I don't feel the need to post any more pictures of the stereoview. You already have an unretouched scan of both sides, and however it renders on your screen is not up to me. But what I will do is post a comparison of mine with a stereoview of a chess game that is known with 100% certainty to have been taken in 1858. It was a very famous match in its day, and the date cannot be disputed. However you see the color, you can't miss that it's very close to mine, it is flat with square corners like mine, and it has arched photos like mine. And in case you missed it from every single post that I've made, yes I absolutely stand by my contention that this photograph depicts Knickerbockers. So please keep your promise and take your ball and go home and be done with this "dumb thread," because every single thing you've said has proven to be grossly incorrect.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by SteveS

Snowman, thank you for your input on the color. Please let me know if you get any takers and how you will decide a winner.

bdk1976, take a look at the 1889 photo of Wright that I posted, and also the one of his bending over golfing that Snowman posted. He's bald on top.

Shoeless Moe, the 1862 photo shows some of them standing, but as I pointed out earlier it is a composite cut-and-paste, and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that it can't be relied on to determine sizes. In the 1859 photo, which I've also posted, De Bost and Adams are standing next to each other and line up very well with the heights in my picture.

drcy, I find your MO interesting of editing your comments after people have already responded to them. It's happened pretty much every time. Very telling. I don't feel the need to post any more pictures of the stereoview. You already have an unretouched scan of both sides, and however it renders on your screen is not up to me. But what I will do is post a comparison of mine with a stereoview of a chess game that is known with 100% certainty to have been taken in 1858. It was a very famous match in its day, and the date cannot be disputed. However you see the color, you can't miss that it's very close to mine, it is flat with square corners like mine, and it has arched photos like mine. And in case you missed it from every single post that I've made, yes I absolutely stand by my contention that this photograph depicts Knickerbockers. So please keep your promise and take your ball and go home and be done with this "dumb thread," because every single thing you've said has proven to be grossly incorrect.

The 2 pictures shown show up as very different colors on my screen. The one on the left is a tan and the one on the right is greyish.

[SteveS]

bnorth, look more inside of the card portion, not the edges. The edges look as though they have stains from being handled a lot. But the card portion is pretty close. The squared corners and arched photos are also very important, as other posters within this thread have said that it's not possible for a stereoview from before the 1870s to have those features. I found a stereoview from the Met Museum that dates to 1856. To me, this one looks gray, especially next to mine. It also has squared corners and arched photos.

[SteveS]

And seeing as though one issue people seem to have is the age of the person I identified as Niebuhr, I debated with myself for a long time whether it could be Harry Wright. He was with the Knickerbockers from 1857-1863, ages 22-28, about 30 years younger than everyone else in this photo. There are a lot of pictures of him as an older man, but not a lot from this era. I am attaching a comparison with his picture from the 1859 Knickerbocker photo (using the photo from the left side of my stereoview). It's a pretty good match. But I ended up thinking that it's not him because it doesn't seem to match as well against pictures of older Harry. But after the discussion about his brother George and seeing how different he looks in various eras, maybe some of you will think that he's a better fit.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The 2 pictures shown show up as very different colors on my screen. The one on the left is a tan and the one on the right is greyish.

Originally Posted by SteveS

bnorth, look more inside of the card portion, not the edges. The edges look as though they have stains from being handled a lot. But the card portion is pretty close. The squared corners and arched photos are also very important, as other posters within this thread have said that it's not possible for a stereoview from before the 1870s to have those features. I found a stereoview from the Met Museum that dates to 1856. To me, this one looks gray, especially next to mine. It also has squared corners and arched photos.

This thread is starting to turn batshit crazy. Here are the screenshots of the two colors of from those two stereoviews. They're clearly both some hue of browns. One slightly deeper with a bit more reddish tone and the other lighter and more pale, but both are clearly browns.