Using Trade At Card Shows

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Let me know when a major auction house takes trade....wonder if I could trade cards for my winnings.

PWCC accepts trades sometimes.

[Directly]

Question which one of these two cards graded a 3 would a dealer rather want in trade for resale?--A tough decision--

1) T205 Cobb

2) 1940 Playball Joe Jackson

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Directly

Question which one of these two cards graded a 3 would a dealer rather want in trade for resale?--A tough decision--

1) T205 Cobb

2) 1940 Playball Joe Jackson

cobb all day

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Directly

Question which one of these two cards graded a 3 would a dealer rather want in trade for resale?--A tough decision--

1) T205 Cobb

2) 1940 Playball Joe Jackson

Cobb +1

Cobb, Ruth, Mantle, Jackie, and Mays are the ones dealers want.

[egri]

Agree with Cobb.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Cobb +1

Cobb, Ruth, Mantle, Jackie, and Mays are the ones dealers want.

Dealers definitely want Joe Jackson too. The problem is the 40 PB is not a playing days card. What about 1914 or 1915 CJ Cobb or Jackson? That is a not an easy choice.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by rats60

Dealers definitely want Joe Jackson too. The problem is the 40 PB is not a playing days card. What about 1914 or 1915 CJ Cobb or Jackson? That is a not an easy choice.

Between the T205 Cobb and PB Jackson - Cobb all day, every day

1914 or 15 CJ - MUCH tougher choice, but I think I still lean toward Cobb.

[Snowman]

I think part of the disconnect is that the leverage dealers have over buyers in today's market is quite a bit different than it was back in the 80s, 90s, and even the 2000s. Back then, if you wanted to sell your cards, you either had to find a friend to sell it to or take it to your local card shop/show and take whatever you could get for it. They had a lot of leverage over you. They knew they could resell it for X, so they gave you some significantly lower percentage of its value in order to turn a profit. It's a business after all. But in today's market, collectors no longer need dealers or card shops to buy their cards. The only thing a dealer offers them today by buying their card is the convenience of not having to deal with eBay or a consignment company. We don't "need" a dealer to buy our cards nowadays, so that leverage is lost. But most of the dealers I've encountered don't acknowledge this. It's like they still think they have power over the market/buyers because they've somehow "earned" it with their decades of experience. I find most (not all) card shop owners that I've encountered to be extremely arrogant.

The only leverage they have now, in the case of a trade, comes from them having a particular card that you want, not from them being in the position of being a dealer. Sure, some people are desperate enough to acquire a particular card that they're willing to take a loss on their trade in value to get it, but it's not because the person on the other end of the transaction is a dealer, but rather because they have what the other person wants. I think most trades at shows nowadays probably occurs between collectors away from the tables. Trade night is a big deal at the larger shows.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I think part of the disconnect is that the leverage dealers have over buyers in today's market is quite a bit different than it was back in the 80s, 90s, and even the 2000s. Back then, if you wanted to sell your cards, you either had to find a friend to sell it to or take it to your local card shop/show and take whatever you could get for it. They had a lot of leverage over you. They knew they could resell it for X, so they gave you some significantly lower percentage of its value in order to turn a profit. It's a business after all. But in today's market, collectors no longer need dealers or card shops to buy their cards. The only thing a dealer offers them today by buying their card is the convenience of not having to deal with eBay or a consignment company. We don't "need" a dealer to buy our cards nowadays, so that leverage is lost. But most of the dealers I've encountered don't acknowledge this. It's like they still think they have power over the market/buyers because they've somehow "earned" it with their decades of experience. I find most (not all) card shop owners that I've encountered to be extremely arrogant.

The only leverage they have now, in the case of a trade, comes from them having a particular card that you want, not from them being in the position of being a dealer. Sure, some people are desperate enough to acquire a particular card that they're willing to take a loss on their trade in value to get it, but it's not because the person on the other end of the transaction is a dealer, but rather because they have what the other person wants. I think most trades at shows nowadays probably occurs between collectors away from the tables. Trade night is a big deal at the larger shows.

This reminds me of my last couple Nationals. I was buying a card from a dealer and asked if he was interested in taking partial trade. He just said flat out no. When I got home I listed the card on BST and it sold within a few hours for more than what I would have taken from him since he was a dealer.

In another case I had a card that a dealer wanted and he had something I was interested in, but he decided to low ball me on my card so I just walked away and sold it on eBay for a fair price.

I set up at shows for 30 years. I don't understand the attitudes of many dealers as pointed out above. I would never turn down a trade before seeing what the collector had. Doing trade or cash trade deals offers the dealer an opportunity for more profit. You make a profit off the card you are trading away and then you make a profit off the new card you receive.

In the Cobb vs Jackson trade, both are easily sellable cards. The Cobb is more desirable, but no dealer should turn down the Jackson at the appropriate price. As a dealer are you in business to make money or are you just a collector disguised as a dealer looking to have the best display?

[JohnnyKilroy]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I think part of the disconnect is that the leverage dealers have over buyers in today's market is quite a bit different than it was back in the 80s, 90s, and even the 2000s. Back then, if you wanted to sell your cards, you either had to find a friend to sell it to or take it to your local card shop/show and take whatever you could get for it. They had a lot of leverage over you. They knew they could resell it for X, so they gave you some significantly lower percentage of its value in order to turn a profit. It's a business after all. But in today's market, collectors no longer need dealers or card shops to buy their cards. The only thing a dealer offers them today by buying their card is the convenience of not having to deal with eBay or a consignment company. We don't "need" a dealer to buy our cards nowadays, so that leverage is lost. But most of the dealers I've encountered don't acknowledge this. It's like they still think they have power over the market/buyers because they've somehow "earned" it with their decades of experience. I find most (not all) card shop owners that I've encountered to be extremely arrogant.

The only leverage they have now, in the case of a trade, comes from them having a particular card that you want, not from them being in the position of being a dealer. Sure, some people are desperate enough to acquire a particular card that they're willing to take a loss on their trade in value to get it, but it's not because the person on the other end of the transaction is a dealer, but rather because they have what the other person wants. I think most trades at shows nowadays probably occurs between collectors away from the tables. Trade night is a big deal at the larger shows.

Jackpot. This is exactly right. So many avenues to move cards these days, the leverage is just not there. Which also goes with the other point that trading with dealers is not advantageous or preferred. Most trading I see is between people walking around. Another reason why I don’t understand the term “trade value” these days. I value a card for exactly what I could sell it for when it comes to trading for something I want. If they bump up for “trade value”, then I will too… so I don’t see the point.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Directly

Question which one of these two cards graded a 3 would a dealer rather want in trade for resale?--A tough decision--

1) T205 Cobb

2) 1940 Playball Joe Jackson

To most of us it is not a tough question at all.

Dealers wants what is easier to turn and more in demand.

T205 Cobb great looking card and playing day card and is easier to turn.

The 1940 Playball Joe jackson is 20 years after after he played and more common then the T205 (especially if you consider the various backs)

I am a Joe Jackson Addict but for me T205 Cobb all day based on this question.

If it was the T205 Cobb vs the 1916 Joe Jackson alot tougher question

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Snowman

PWCC accepts trades sometimes.

But the cards seem to lose weight once in their possession. Trades are always easier with collectors.