Ethical Concerns Regarding Heritage?

drcy · #1 08-30-2021, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Exactly! That's precisely why I couldn't get through the video. His phrasing was so ridiculous. As if promoting an emerging market couldn't possibly be anything other than fraud. LMAO. That's ridiculous.

Again, I'll wait for actual detectives to investigate if there is any wrongdoing before I cast judgment.

There's nothing wrong with being a contrarian or dissenter to prevailing thought, but there seems to be a consistency in your arguments across different threads.

Lorewalker · #2 08-30-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by drcy

There's nothing wrong with being a contrarian or dissenter to prevailing thought, but there seems to be a consistency in your arguments across different threads.

Yeah he is completely nauseating. I see why he was booted off of BO. Let's hope it happens here soon.

Leon · #3 08-30-2021, 12:52 PM

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Yeah he is completely nauseating. I see why he was booted off of BO. Let's hope it happens here soon.

Expressing an unpopular position isn't going to get someone booted from here. Other things will but not that...

drcy · #4 08-30-2021, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Expressing an unpopular position isn't going to get someone booted from here. Other things will but not that...

It can be a fine line, as groupthink and echo chambers (everyone saying the same thing and agreeing with each other) are also problems.

As I said, I just noticed a conistant thread in his arguments.

Lorewalker · #5 08-30-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Expressing an unpopular position isn't going to get someone booted from here. Other things will but not that...

I appreciate that Leon. Aside from his AI posts the others seem to just be for the purpose of being oppositional. People keep engaging him so...I have not ignored him but I do skip over him, now.

JollyElm · #6 08-30-2021, 02:00 PM

417. Hostile Lurk Environment
When someone who hasn’t posted much at all suddenly starts appearing in multiple threads, throwing his outspoken opinions around.

irv · #7 08-30-2021, 02:03 PM

There are some who can't see the forest for the trees and then there are some who don't want to.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 08-30-2021, 01:03 PM

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Yeah he is completely nauseating. I see why he was booted off of BO. Let's hope it happens here soon.

Meanwhile

Snowman

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perezfan · #9 08-30-2021, 03:51 PM

Awesome and well-researched video. Incredibly damning to the major players creating this bubble. Equally interesting is that just prior to the episode on shill bidding was a paid advertisement for PWCC. I thought it was a joke at first, but it was completely legit.

PWCC might want to reconsider where to place their ads, as it was about as effective as an Oreo Cookie commercial interrupting a Keto Diet video.

philo98 · #10 08-30-2021, 04:49 PM

Goldin just posted on their Twitter account highlighting the start of the auction tomorrow at 9am. Items are up for preview now. Will be interesting to see how this auction goes with all of the bad publicity surrounding it.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 08-30-2021, 04:55 PM

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Goldin just posted on their Twitter account highlighting the start of the auction tomorrow at 9am. Items are up for preview now. Will be interesting to see how this auction goes with all of the bad publicity surrounding it.

I predict "stuff" will prevail, it always does.

Snowman · #12 09-01-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Yeah he is completely nauseating. I see why he was booted off of BO. Let's hope it happens here soon.

Do you really want a forum where everyone just falls in line, believing the same things without questioning each other's viewpoints? Perhaps you've lost sight of what the word 'forum' even means in the first place?

Forum - a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Feel free to ignore me if you don't like reading my contrarian views. I'm not asking anyone to share my opinions (although I'm happy to accept a friendly wager if you'd like to bet against them).

Perhaps you'd like to invest in "AI grading"? I hear it's all the rage.

drcy · #13 09-02-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Do you really want a forum where everyone just falls in line, believing the same things without questioning each other's viewpoints? Perhaps you've lost sight of what the word 'forum' even means in the first place?

Forum - a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Feel free to ignore me if you don't like reading my contrarian views. I'm not asking anyone to share my opinions (although I'm happy to accept a friendly wager if you'd like to bet against them).

Perhaps you'd like to invest in "AI grading"? I hear it's all the rage.

I don't agree with much of what you see, but agree that there is nothing wrong with dissenting and unique views on a forum. On that point, I entirely agree.

swarmee · #14 12-21-2021, 11:48 AM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=172
Follow-up video to this situation. Even more people in WATA's stable part of the propping up of the market, and a deep dive into whether the market pushing should be considered legal or illegal.

Fred · #15 12-21-2021, 12:57 PM

Does anybody have any information on the results of the Goldin Auctions selling of WATA graded video games from the August to September time frame? I went to the Goldin website and cannot seem to locate the "past auctions" information.

The linked video is lengthy (time). It seems to re-hash the previous video. That said, it provides a "not so pretty picture" of a certain video game grader and auction house.

It would be difficult to imagine the point of the videos are not true otherwise we would/should be hearing about a substantial defamation suit by the video game grader and auction house.

Par for the course of hobby collectibles these days. Is anybody going to do something about it? Time to "ostrich up" and put our heads in the sand, again.

Snapolit1 · #16 12-21-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by drcy

I don't agree with much of what you see, but agree that there is nothing wrong with dissenting and unique views on a forum. On that point, I entirely agree.

Same. Honestly, from the first time I joined this forum, as much as I like it, I think there is waaaaay to much group think and pressure to fall in line with the party line.

Say a bad word about REA or question the guy who runs it? Oh jeez. You are better off going after Mother Theresa and calling her a Nazi sympathizer. People will be all over you in a minute. Guys who run AHs are either saints or absolute scum. Better learn quickly who is who.

bnorth · #17 12-21-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Same. Honestly, from the first time I joined this forum, as much as I like it, I think there is waaaaay to much group think and pressure to fall in line with the party line.

Say a bad word about REA or question the guy who runs it? Oh jeez. You are better off going after Mother Theresa and calling her a Nazi sympathizer. People will be all over you in a minute. Guys who run AHs are either saints or absolute scum. Better learn quickly who is who.

I have noticed over the many years who is who varies greatly by who you are talking to.

mrreality68 · #18 12-21-2021, 02:27 PM

All I can think of is

BobC · #19 12-21-2021, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Same. Honestly, from the first time I joined this forum, as much as I like it, I think there is waaaaay to much group think and pressure to fall in line with the party line.

Say a bad word about REA or question the guy who runs it? Oh jeez. You are better off going after Mother Theresa and calling her a Nazi sympathizer. People will be all over you in a minute. Guys who run AHs are either saints or absolute scum. Better learn quickly who is who.

A lot of this has to do with the fact that there are all different types on this forum, dealers, AHs, speculators, investors, and varying levels of collectors who range from being collectors who are at the same time all of the aforementioned as well, to just being truly pure collectors who are into the hobby for the simple joy of collecting and to whom the money and value are secondary, if even that high on their priority lists. I believe most of us on here would like to think of ourselves as the true collectors and not think and care so much about the money and value side. But the sad truth is that for many, the rise in card prices (and thus the value of their collections, especially vintage) are such that most collectors can't ignore the economic factor, and as a result find themselves thinking more like dealers, AHs, investors, and speculators on occasion when it comes to their beloved hobby, than as true collectors. And as a consequence, they also develop a sort of unintended acceptance of things in the hobby as they are. For even if deep down they may not entirely agree with things being done and said by certain groups and individuals, I think many collectors may also harbor a subliminal or latent fear that by speaking out against those groups and individuals in the hobby they may somehow do damage that results in economic harm to them and the value of their personal collections.

Think of someone who has a large collection of cards graded by the top accepted TPGs of today. Now think about would happen to the value of that collection were the TPGs to be discredited, and even be found guilty of criminal activity, say in conjunction with certain dealers, AHs, card doctors, and so on. That may be part of why many may seem to publicly just appear to follow the crowd. And also, with all the speculation and innuendos of less than exemplary and honest dealings by many individuals and groups within our hobby, collectors will also tend to try to identify and rally round those they may feel are not really part of its' seedy side. So many collectors may just go along with these perceived "good guys" so as to have hope that our hobby is not entirely doomed. If it ever finally came out and was proved that virtually all the major players (dealers, AHs, TPGs) were in some ways in cahoots with one another in deceiving and defrauding our entire collecting community, that could break our hobby's back, so to speak, and end up having the card collecting hobby/industry looking like the stock market crash back in 1929. Maybe a somewhat convoluted theory, but still a possible factor why many in the crowd may just always seem to go along with others in regards to thoughts and opinions, in many cases.

Snapolit1 · #20 12-21-2021, 04:22 PM

Bob - that makes a lot of sense. My wife and I bought our first home in a neighborhood that charged a premium for homes for a number of reasons, most prominently the reputation of the public schools. After our kids were well into the public school system we realized that the schools were nowhere near what people sold them as. In fact they they were downright lousy in a lot of ways. But none of our friends would hear it. Even people who knew what we were saying was true, basically said "hey it doesn't help any of our property values to say anything disparaging about the schools . . . . It's the perception of the schools that benefits all of us." And nothing ever changed. Sort of like what you are saying here.

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Originally Posted by BobC

A lot of this has to do with the fact that there are all different types on this forum, dealers, AHs, speculators, investors, and varying levels of collectors who range from being collectors who are at the same time all of the aforementioned as well, to just being truly pure collectors who are into the hobby for the simple joy of collecting and to whom the money and value are secondary, if even that high on their priority lists. I believe most of us on here would like to think of ourselves as the true collectors and not think and care so much about the money and value side. But the sad truth is that for many, the rise in card prices (and thus the value of their collections, especially vintage) are such that most collectors can't ignore the economic factor, and as a result find themselves thinking more like dealers, AHs, investors, and speculators on occasion when it comes to their beloved hobby, than as true collectors. And as a consequence, they also develop a sort of unintended acceptance of things in the hobby as they are. For even if deep down they may not entirely agree with things being done and said by certain groups and individuals, I think many collectors may also harbor a subliminal or latent fear that by speaking out against those groups and individuals in the hobby they may somehow do damage that results in economic harm to them and the value of their personal collections.

Think of someone who has a large collection of cards graded by the top accepted TPGs of today. Now think about would happen to the value of that collection were the TPGs to be discredited, and even be found guilty of criminal activity, say in conjunction with certain dealers, AHs, card doctors, and so on. That may be part of why many may seem to publicly just appear to follow the crowd. And also, with all the speculation and innuendos of less than exemplary and honest dealings by many individuals and groups within our hobby, collectors will also tend to try to identify and rally round those they may feel are not really part of its' seedy side. So many collectors may just go along with these perceived "good guys" so as to have hope that our hobby is not entirely doomed. If it ever finally came out and was proved that virtually all the major players (dealers, AHs, TPGs) were in some ways in cahoots with one another in deceiving and defrauding our entire collecting community, that could break our hobby's back, so to speak, and end up having the card collecting hobby/industry looking like the stock market crash back in 1929. Maybe a somewhat convoluted theory, but still a possible factor why many in the crowd may just always seem to go along with others in regards to thoughts and opinions, in many cases.

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