ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Why don't we just stipulate that Brent Mastro has been and is a cheater effer and move on? You do know that, correct?

I've read countless accusations against him and PWCC, so, in that sense, yes, I'm aware of the accusations being made. However, I've yet to encounter any actual evidence though, so I continue to reserve judgement. I'm not saying he's innocent. I just don't know.

Perhaps I should note that I don't consider the fact that trimmers have sold their cards through PWCC to be a stain on them. I don't think a consignment company should be held responsible for PSA's screw ups. PWCC is not a grading company. Those issues should be taken up with the TPGs. They're the ones that are supposed to be the experts. Not PWCC.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I've read countless accusations against him and PWCC, so, in that sense, yes, I'm aware of the accusations being made. However, I've yet to encounter any actual evidence though, so I continue to reserve judgement. I'm not saying he's innocent. I just don't know.

Perhaps I should note that I don't consider the fact that trimmers have sold their cards through PWCC to be a stain on them. I don't think a consignment company should be held responsible for PSA's screw ups. PWCC is not a grading company. Those issues should be taken up with the TPGs. They're the ones that are supposed to be the experts. Not PWCC.

PWCC is not a grading company you say yet they offer their opinion on the grade of a card rountinely.

And I believe an association between pwcc and moser has been established showing they have worked together.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PWCC is not a grading company you say yet they offer their opinion on the grade of a card rountinely.

And I believe an association between pwcc and moser has been established showing they have worked together.

Brent knew he was selling altered cards but did not disclose, there is email proof of that among other evidence, and as I've explained countless times, that's fraud. Brent also likely submitted many of the cards in question himself. The relationship between Brent and Gary goes back perhaps 20 years if not longer, Brent was just a kid when he started selling Gary's stuff.

And that's why there's an FBI probe. That TPGs may also culpable is irrelevant. Anyone coming to this fresh can find the old posts explaining the mail and wire fraud statutes and their applicability to the scandal. Sorry but I don't have the patience to keep doing it every time some skeptical newbie pops up.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

DNFTT. There's no point. Brent knew he was selling altered cards but did not disclose that, there is email proof of that among other evidence, and as I've explained countless times, that's fraud. And that's why there's an FBI probe. That PSA is also culpable is irrelevant. Anyone coming to this fresh can find the old posts explaining the mail and wire fraud statutes and their applicability to the scandal.

thx pete...and here's a card.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent knew he was selling altered cards but did not disclose, there is email proof of that among other evidence, and as I've explained countless times, that's fraud. Brent also likely submitted many of the cards in question himself. The relationship between Brent and Gary goes back perhaps 20 years if not longer, Brent was just a kid when he started selling Gary's stuff.

Twenty-plus years? Homie, you never told me that! That's messed up!

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sorry but I don't have the patience to keep doing it every time some skeptical newbie pops up.

LOL! BOOM! It's over!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Twenty-plus years? Homie, you never told me that! That's messed up!



LOL! BOOM! It's over!!!

LOL Ranch. Yeah, as Gary told a friend of mine, I have this kid who sells for me on ebay now. It was probably still the 1990s or maybe the early 2000s. Brent's original ID was huigensr or something like that. I don't remember when he became prewarcardcollector.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PWCC is not a grading company you say yet they offer their opinion on the grade of a card rountinely.

They put an eye-appeal sticker on cards that are well-centered. That doesn't make them a grading company and it certainly doesn't make them responsible for validating real grading companies' opinions regarding cards.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

And I believe an association between pwcc and moser has been established showing they have worked together.

Because they sold a card to someone whose masked eBay user ID is "m***1", which happens to be the same as one of the 100+ unique masked user IDs that his "Whitman111" account receives when making purchases? Do you have any idea how many buyers there are on eBay with the same masked ID? There are thousands. Literally thousands. And Moser's masked eBay ID changes every time. I've proved this multiple times.

But that aside, let's just assume they have done business together. I absolutely believe they probably have. So what? They're a consignment company. People consign cards to them. Are they really responsible for playing detectives to try to determine which of their users might be guilty of "crimes" that law enforcement doesn't even care to pursue? How is this their responsibility whatsoever? People alter cards. Thousands of people. Those cards sneak past grading all the time. And what if they falsely accuse someone because some internet troll "detectives" think a masked eBay user ID actually means something? Then what?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They put an eye-appeal sticker on cards that are well-centered were altered to appear well-centered.

Fixed it for you.