How to pronounce Goudey and Bowman?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Really?
https://www.howtopronounce.com/italian/cicotte

Yes, really. They are wrong. Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0-a0JkcnhA

Note, they are pronouncing "ciccotti" So the first two syllables are as I said, but the final syllable on youtube is "tee" because that's how the vowel "i" is pronounced. Think "spaghetti" for example.

The vowel "e" is pronounced "ay". So, as I said, we have chee-CO-tay.

From your website, they pronounce the word cinque (meaning the number 5) correctly, with the leading "ci" : https://www.howtopronounce.com/italian/cinque

[nolemmings]

Hmm,
Well it would seem others would disagree.
https://www.pronouncehippo.com/cicotte/
https://pronounce.name/how-to-pronounce-cicotte
https://www.howtopronounce.com/eddie-cicotte
https://www.southsidesox.com/2011/10...y-player-files

"Since the World Series started there has been almost as much argument over the pronunciation of Eddie Cicotte's name as there was about the famous problem, "How old is Ann?" Out in Chicago the announcer at Comiskey Park calls him "Sigh-Cotty." The manager, Clarence Rowland, calls him "Sigh-Cott," and so do all the players. Coming back on the White Sox special from Chicago he was looking over a game of draw, when the HERALD reporter asked him what he really called himself. He wrote it down on a piece of cardboard, and, as he ought to know, it should settle all arguments. The star pitcher of the White Sox calls himself "See-Cot," and he affixed his signature to the affirmation of that. He said that his ancestors over in France used to spell their name with an initial "S" and that they were never know by any other pronunciation than "See-Cot."

-- Chicago Herald, Oct. 15, 1917."


It seems the difference is explained by the fact that the player's name is not Italian in origin.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Hmm,
Well it would seem others would disagree.
https://www.pronouncehippo.com/cicotte/
https://pronounce.name/how-to-pronounce-cicotte
https://www.howtopronounce.com/eddie-cicotte
https://www.southsidesox.com/2011/10...y-player-files

"Since the World Series started there has been almost as much argument over the pronunciation of Eddie Cicotte's name as there was about the famous problem, "How old is Ann?" Out in Chicago the announcer at Comiskey Park calls him "Sigh-Cotty." The manager, Clarence Rowland, calls him "Sigh-Cott," and so do all the players. Coming back on the White Sox special from Chicago he was looking over a game of draw, when the HERALD reporter asked him what he really called himself. He wrote it down on a piece of cardboard, and, as he ought to know, it should settle all arguments. The star pitcher of the White Sox calls himself "See-Cot," and he affixed his signature to the affirmation of that. He said that his ancestors over in France used to spell their name with an initial "S" and that they were never know by any other pronunciation than "See-Cot."
-- Chicago Herald, Oct. 15, 1917."

Sorry.... if it's French, and an altered spelling at that, then forget what I said as irrelevant...........

[toppcat]

I wonder if Al Cicotte pronounced his last name the same way as his great uncle Ed as some time passed obviosuly between their births?

Anoth interesting one is Jack Chesbro, which is pronounced Cheez-burr-oh, just like the first name in Cheesborough Ponds, the beauty producs manufacturer. I believe those two clans were related as well.

[nolemmings]

It is also interesting to me when the pronunciation changes after the player is established. Twins 1b and MVP Justin Morneau played half of his career or more with the name accented on the second syllable, then came out and made it clear that he and his family pronounce it with the first syllable accented. So how would you pronounce the name on his rookie card?