How to pronounce Goudey and Bowman?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Yes. Correct French enunciation is La-zhwah, but he was always called La-joe-way by any contemporaries whose voices I've heard.

Eddie Cicotte is "SEE-cott" as per the player's own phonetic spelling of it when asked the question.

Wagner's nickname(s) were mangled more than they should have been. You have his own teammates, rivals and younger players he coached using Hans, HAHN-uss, HOE-nuss, etc. I think most of us know it's the latter, although that's really strange, as it was a bit of a play on Johannus, which has never been pronounced Yo-HOE-nuss.

[Ricky]

As a fellow Rhode Islander (Nap was born in Woonsocket, RI, where there is a large French-Canadian population), everyone here pronounces it La-joe-way, with a soft j.

[darwinbulldog]

Gowdy
Bowman
Lazhaway

[ASF123]

I heard Ryan Dempster on a Cubs broadcast earlier this year - he’s apparently a longtime collector and was talking about bidding on a 1933 “Goodie” Jimmie Foxx. Dempster is Canadian, so maybe that’s like “aboot.”

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by ASF123

I heard Ryan Dempster on a Cubs broadcast earlier this year - he’s apparently a longtime collector and was talking about bidding on a 1933 “Goodie” Jimmie Foxx. Dempster is Canadian, so maybe that’s like “aboot.”

That's the French influence affecting an Anglophone Canadian! I too originally thought they were Goodeys as a kid. Most Canadians probably would.

[Bobbycee]

C'mon!

How do you pronounce Topps? Is the emphasis on the 1st p or second p?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Goudey

I've never heard an American pronounce it any other way than rhyming with "Howdy Doody"

International phonetical alphabet spelling: haʊdi

Lajoie

I believe it's only two syllables, like "causeway" but I've heard many Americans add a third syllable in the middle, as in "That-a-way"

International phonetical alphabet spelling: læʒweɪ

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

C'mon!

How do you pronounce Topps? Is the emphasis on the 1st p or second p?

I hear they are changing the pronunciation to FAN-ah-tics.


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[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by ASF123

I heard Ryan Dempster on a Cubs broadcast earlier this year - he’s apparently a longtime collector and was talking about bidding on a 1933 “Goodie” Jimmie Foxx. Dempster is Canadian, so maybe that’s like “aboot.”

Been in Canada my whole-entire life and I still have not heard anybody say "aboot" yet.

[Snapolit1]

As to Honus Wagner, saw some reliable information recently that 99% of us have been pronouncing it wrong.

It's no HOE-nis but Hahn-is, as someone above pointed out.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

As to Honus Wagner, saw some reliable information recently that 99% of us have been pronouncing it wrong.

It's no HOE-nis but Hahn-is, as someone above pointed out.

And his parents probably pronounced his last name "Vagner, as they were German immigrants. [I hope I don't get Jack Morris-ed for noting that...]

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Been in Canada my whole-entire life and I still have not heard anybody say "aboot" yet.

I concur. As a Canadian, I have never heard the word pronounced that way in my life.
It's like the stereotype of Americans thinking Canadians say "eh" every two seconds. lol

We have "eh", you 'muricans have the worse-sounding "y'all"

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

I concur. As a Canadian, I have never heard the word pronounced that way in my life.
It's like the stereotype of Americans thinking Canadians say "eh" every two seconds. lol

We have "eh", you 'muricans have the worse-sounding "y'all"

I think it's regional. I've heard "aboot" many times from Canadians. And the "eh" on every sentence I heard from all the hockey players who lived in my dorm in college.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

How someone pronounced their name is obviously a different question than how others would pronounce it. If you ask people who speak Italian how my family name is pronounced I suspect few of them would accurately say how my name is commonly pronounced in the US among non Italian speakers. And I'm sure this was even more true 100 years ago when foreign names were probably not considered particularly desirable in many parts.

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

Eddie Cicotte is "SEE-cott" as per the player's own phonetic spelling of it when asked the question.

The Italian language is very phonetically pure - that is, the spelling tells you exactly how it's pronounced. There are some regional variations of course (in parts of Tuscany, the word "Casa", meaning "house", sounds like "Hasa", with the "C" eaten, as they say.)

But Cicotte, in Italian, is pronounced: Chee-CO-tay.

So, applying to Lajoie, how his name was pronounced in France or French Canada might not be what was used in the English speaking USA.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Mark17

The Italian language is very phonetically pure - that is, the spelling tells you exactly how it's pronounced. There are some regional variations of course (in parts of Tuscany, the word "Casa", meaning "house", sounds like "Hasa", with the "C" eaten, as they say.)

But Cicotte, in Italian, is pronounced: Chee-CO-tay.

Really?
https://www.howtopronounce.com/italian/cicotte

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Really?
https://www.howtopronounce.com/italian/cicotte

Yes, really. They are wrong. Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0-a0JkcnhA

Note, they are pronouncing "ciccotti" So the first two syllables are as I said, but the final syllable on youtube is "tee" because that's how the vowel "i" is pronounced. Think "spaghetti" for example.

The vowel "e" is pronounced "ay". So, as I said, we have chee-CO-tay.

From your website, they pronounce the word cinque (meaning the number 5) correctly, with the leading "ci" : https://www.howtopronounce.com/italian/cinque

[nolemmings]

Hmm,
Well it would seem others would disagree.
https://www.pronouncehippo.com/cicotte/
https://pronounce.name/how-to-pronounce-cicotte
https://www.howtopronounce.com/eddie-cicotte
https://www.southsidesox.com/2011/10...y-player-files

"Since the World Series started there has been almost as much argument over the pronunciation of Eddie Cicotte's name as there was about the famous problem, "How old is Ann?" Out in Chicago the announcer at Comiskey Park calls him "Sigh-Cotty." The manager, Clarence Rowland, calls him "Sigh-Cott," and so do all the players. Coming back on the White Sox special from Chicago he was looking over a game of draw, when the HERALD reporter asked him what he really called himself. He wrote it down on a piece of cardboard, and, as he ought to know, it should settle all arguments. The star pitcher of the White Sox calls himself "See-Cot," and he affixed his signature to the affirmation of that. He said that his ancestors over in France used to spell their name with an initial "S" and that they were never know by any other pronunciation than "See-Cot."

-- Chicago Herald, Oct. 15, 1917."


It seems the difference is explained by the fact that the player's name is not Italian in origin.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Hmm,
Well it would seem others would disagree.
https://www.pronouncehippo.com/cicotte/
https://pronounce.name/how-to-pronounce-cicotte
https://www.howtopronounce.com/eddie-cicotte
https://www.southsidesox.com/2011/10...y-player-files

"Since the World Series started there has been almost as much argument over the pronunciation of Eddie Cicotte's name as there was about the famous problem, "How old is Ann?" Out in Chicago the announcer at Comiskey Park calls him "Sigh-Cotty." The manager, Clarence Rowland, calls him "Sigh-Cott," and so do all the players. Coming back on the White Sox special from Chicago he was looking over a game of draw, when the HERALD reporter asked him what he really called himself. He wrote it down on a piece of cardboard, and, as he ought to know, it should settle all arguments. The star pitcher of the White Sox calls himself "See-Cot," and he affixed his signature to the affirmation of that. He said that his ancestors over in France used to spell their name with an initial "S" and that they were never know by any other pronunciation than "See-Cot."
-- Chicago Herald, Oct. 15, 1917."

Sorry.... if it's French, and an altered spelling at that, then forget what I said as irrelevant...........

[toppcat]

I wonder if Al Cicotte pronounced his last name the same way as his great uncle Ed as some time passed obviosuly between their births?

Anoth interesting one is Jack Chesbro, which is pronounced Cheez-burr-oh, just like the first name in Cheesborough Ponds, the beauty producs manufacturer. I believe those two clans were related as well.