1909 E90-1 Joe Jackson value compared to others

mrreality68 · #1 08-22-2021, 09:51 AM

Hi,

To some the Joe Jackson Rookie Card does not have the eye appeal as other cards.
But to many it is a nice looking card.

I believe the card is under valued and under appreciated.

The Rookie Card is not that rare and you can usually find a couple on ebay for sale.

However, I believe part of the reason that the Prices are low is mostly that the higher grade cards are low in population (MOST of the population is below a 2.

But more importantly almost all that come up for sale are both low grade and most do not have a nice eye appeal. thus keeping the price down

On the private Market the prices for the higher end ones are pretty solid. I have had many strong offers also on my card.

There was a PSA 8 went pre pandemic for over $650K
Robert Edwards had a PSA 1.5 with what look like a crease left to right just below the "A" on his uniform and it went for $31K in April

There is an SGC 3 Joe Jackson on Love of the Game Auction now and it is at $34K ($40K with Buyers Premium) with approx 1 week to go. So should have a strong final price and can help set the market price.

So yes population between SGC and PSA is fairly large and they do come often for sale but the cards above a 2 come up less often and go for what I believe is some strong prices.

G1911 · #2 08-22-2021, 10:21 AM

I�d be interested to hear specifically what cards it is undervalued compared against. Who has a comparable rookie going for more or similar that shouldn�t?

Personally, I think Jackson is heavily overvalued in general. A Cracker Jack Speaker sells for a fraction of a Cracker Jack Jackson, for example. People pay a fat bonus for anyone part of the Black Sox bad guys, and this card in particular. It doesn�t even look like Jackson.

mrreality68 · #3 08-22-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I�d be interested to hear specifically what cards it is undervalued compared against. Who has a comparable rookie going for more or similar that shouldn�t?

Personally, I think Jackson is heavily overvalued in general. A Cracker Jack Speaker sells for a fraction of a Cracker Jack Jackson, for example. People pay a fat bonus for anyone part of the Black Sox bad guys, and this card in particular. It doesn�t even look like Jackson.

I believe he is talking about Rookie Cards. As Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig all go for alot more as rookie cards card to Joe Jacksons Rookie.
And you are right it does not look like him. But most cards in the E90-1 Series do not look like very much like the players listed as.

G1911 · #4 08-22-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

I believe he is talking about Rookie Cards. As Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig all go for alot more as rookie cards card to Joe Jacksons Rookie.
And you are right it does not look like him. But most cards in the E90-1 Series do not look like very much like the players listed as.

Yes I know he means rookies, that�s why I asked specifically for �comparable rookies� that sell for more or similar to Jackson but should not. Are we really going to suggest that Jackson rookies belongs above Ruth and Cobb rookies? That would seem to be absurd.

mrreality68 · #5 08-22-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes I know he means rookies, that�s why I asked specifically for �comparable rookies� that sell for more or similar to Jackson but should not. Are we really going to suggest that Jackson rookies belongs above Ruth and Cobb rookies? That would seem to be absurd.

Never said above their value. And should not even be close to those. But the Joe jackson cards IMO are undervalued and over time will catch on and go up. I think they have high upside. Especially as other Joe Jackson cards like the CJ cards and the 1916 Cards get more expensive the rookie card will be another option for them.

G1911 · #6 08-22-2021, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

Never said above their value. And should not even be close to those. But the Joe jackson cards IMO are undervalued and over time will catch on and go up. I think they have high upside. Especially as other Joe Jackson cards like the CJ cards and the 1916 Cards get more expensive the rookie card will be another option for them.

So then what are some actual examples of comparable cards the Jackson is undervalued against? Only other Joe Jacksons, that actually portray someone who looks like him?

I'm not saying they don't have upside, most all vintage does. I'm simply asking for any example of the original claim made, that is the subject of the thread post.

rand1com · #7 08-23-2021, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes I know he means rookies, that�s why I asked specifically for �comparable rookies� that sell for more or similar to Jackson but should not. Are we really going to suggest that Jackson rookies belongs above Ruth and Cobb rookies? That would seem to be absurd.

He is referring to other "Jackson" cards, not rookies or cards of other players from this era.

tbob · #8 08-22-2021, 11:20 AM

I think the 1910 Old Mill red border T210 is a much more desirable Joe Jackson card than the E90-1. I believe it will be more valuable long term.

ullmandds · #9 08-22-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tbob

I think the 1910 Old Mill red border T210 is a much more desirable Joe Jackson card than the E90-1. I believe it will be more valuable long term.

the om is multiples more valuable and always will be. no comparison!

Rhotchkiss · #10 08-22-2021, 12:12 PM

In my opinion, Joe Jackson's legacy transcends baseball due to (i) the Black Sox scandal, (ii) the fact that he is not in the HOF because of it, and (iii) the movie Field of Dreams and the games now being played there. Not only was he one of the best players of his era, and who knows where he would have ended had he not been banned from baseball, but his story and legacy is larger than the sport, this latter fact having a huge impact on value and desirability.

Joe's T210 is, in my opinion, a top 10 card. You could argue that his 1914 CJ is also a top 10 baseball card. Recently, his M101-4/5 cards have skyrocketed and his E90-1 cards seem to be following suit. The things that hold the E90-1 back are (a) its not very rare, (b) its very ugly, and (c) the set is not nearly as popular/collected as T206. That said, I agree that the E90-1, and all of Joe's cards, are poised for a large jump (and some are already seeing it).

As more big money comes into the hobby, the obvious card is the T206 Wagner. Interest in the Wagner brings interest to T206, Wagner in general (definitely experiencing a recent spike), and blue chip pre-war players. I believe the top blue chip players are Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Gehrig and Jackson (not necessarily in that order). For this reason and because Jackson has a larger-than-the sport legacy, his cards, including the E90-1 should keep going up.

ThomasL · #11 08-22-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

In my opinion, Joe Jackson's legacy transcends baseball due to (i) the Black Sox scandal, (ii) the fact that he is not in the HOF because of it, and (iii) the movie Field of Dreams and the games now being played there. Not only was he one of the best players of his era, and who knows where he would have ended had he not been banned from baseball, but his story and legacy is larger than the sport, this latter fact having a huge impact on value and desirability.

Joe's T210 is, in my opinion, a top 10 card. You could argue that his 1914 CJ is also a top 10 baseball card. Recently, his M101-4/5 cards have skyrocketed and his E90-1 cards seem to be following suit. The things that hold the E90-1 back are (a) its not very rare, (b) its very ugly, and (c) the set is not nearly as popular/collected as T206. That said, I agree that the E90-1, and all of Joe's cards, are poised for a large jump (and some are already seeing it).

As more big money comes into the hobby, the obvious card is the T206 Wagner. Interest in the Wagner brings interest to T206, Wagner in general (definitely experiencing a recent spike), and blue chip pre-war players. I believe the top blue chip players are Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Gehrig and Jackson (not necessarily in that order). For this reason and because Jackson has a larger-than-the sport legacy, his cards, including the E90-1 should keep going up.

This pretty much says it. I have been tracking sells of probably the cheapest Jackson card you can buy, the w514 strip card, and that card has really jumped in value the last year and has been trending up the last 5 at least...

There is no real comparison for Jackson as his fame has been fueled by pop culture and is not a Hall of Famer. I would argue his card values, including his rookie, are over priced because of this and will continue to trend up as we have seen recently.

He is a borderline HOFer who is famous/infamous bc of the Black Sox scandal...the two comparable players in that regard would be Eddie Cicotte and Hal Chase and their rookie cards dont even come close to Jackson's

If you want to talk about HOFers that were in the same era and comparable to Jackson in popularity and skill... Tris Speaker is the best comparison IMO and Jackson's cards sell significantly higher than his...price compare JJ and Spoke Cracker Jacks...you have to get some of the rare backed T206 Speakers to compete with low grade E90-1 Jacksons...the difference Jackson was banned for his scandal (Speaker wasnt) and Jackson became a pop culture baseball icon in the 1980s...

Yoda · #12 08-22-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

I believe he is talking about Rookie Cards. As Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig all go for alot more as rookie cards card to Joe Jacksons Rookie.
And you are right it does not look like him. But most cards in the E90-1 Series do not look like very much like the players listed as.

I agree, but one of my favorite cards is the E90-1 Nap Lajoie which bears a good resemblance to his real likeness.

puckpaul · #13 08-23-2021, 05:53 PM

The E90-1 Speaker is one of my favorite cards. The Joe Jackson is often ugly, though it can look nice in the higher grades. I would like to collect the set so…have to get one at some point!

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