Vintage negatives value and ok to print it?

[Jcosta19]

Looks like the image from this card. His actual first card per some references I've seen.

No idea on original vs copy or value.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1946-47-Pro...-127632-2357-0

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[chalupacollects]

Looks like we are able to confirm the date of the negative to spring training 1942. The attached link is the story of a gentleman who spent quite a few years tracking down the reasons and when Stan wore number 19!

Apparently William Greene was the photographer.

Thanks to Jcosta19 for the tip off in his post re uniform number.

Any thoughts?

https://thecardinalnation.com/now-ba...tanley-musial/

[bgar3]

Tim,
This may be a negative of a photo taken by Greene, but I don’t think it could be the original negative of the actual Musial photo, since his name has been added. I think it more likely it is a negative of a photo taken of the original photo with the name below. Of course it may be the original negative of that photo. I did not know Musial had a different number for awhile.

[Lordstan]

it is a copy negative.
The person who made it, took the main photo and added the name area. A photograph of that was then shot and this is the negative from that photo.
This type of stuff happened quite a bit as this is the way most composite photos were created.
Composite photos are not considered type 1s according to the Yee/Fogel system adopted by PSA. Prints created around the time the negative was created would be considered type 3s. Newer prints would be type 4s.

TO answer your questions..
1 and 2) As others have said, I would scan the negative and use that if I was going to make prints.
3) I am not aware of PSA encapsulating negatives. They would encapsulate prints made from the negative as type 4s I would imagine.
4) I find negatives hard to price. Some, I thought would be expensive sold cheaply and others shot to the moon. For a generic Musial, I would not expect more than a couple hundred. Maybe a rookie image would bring more. How much, I am not sure.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

it is a copy negative.
The person who made it, took the main photo and added the name area. A photograph of that was then shot and this is the negative from that photo.
This type of stuff happened quite a bit as this is the way most composite photos were created.
Composite photos are not considered type 1s according to the Yee/Fogel system adopted by PSA. Prints created around the time the negative was created would be considered type 3s. Newer prints would be type 4s.

TO answer your questions..
1 and 2) As others have said, I would scan the negative and use that if I was going to make prints.
3) I am not aware of PSA encapsulating negatives. They would encapsulate prints made from the negative as type 4s I would imagine.
4) I find negatives hard to price. Some, I thought would be expensive sold cheaply and others shot to the moon. For a generic Musial, I would not expect more than a couple hundred. Maybe a rookie image would bring more. How much, I am not sure.

IF YOU DO SCAN it and use to make a Good Print. Please take a picture and post it. Would love to see how it comes and how the quality looks

[chalupacollects]

TO answer your questions..
1 and 2) As others have said, I would scan the negative and use that if I was going to make prints.
3) I am not aware of PSA encapsulating negatives. They would encapsulate prints made from the negative as type 4s I would imagine.
4) I find negatives hard to price. Some, I thought would be expensive sold cheaply and others shot to the moon. For a generic Musial, I would not expect more than a couple hundred. Maybe a rookie image would bring more. How much, I am not sure.[/QUOTE]

Would there possibly be a premium since the negative and photo do trace back to William C Greene who was apparently a fairly well renowned photographer?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

TO answer your questions..

1 and 2) As others have said, I would scan the negative and use that if I was going to make prints.

3) I am not aware of PSA encapsulating negatives. They would encapsulate prints made from the negative as type 4s I would imagine.

4) I find negatives hard to price. Some, I thought would be expensive sold cheaply and others shot to the moon. For a generic Musial, I would not expect more than a couple hundred. Maybe a rookie image would bring more. How much, I am not sure.

Would there possibly be a premium since the negative and photo do trace back to William C Greene who was apparently a fairly well renowned photographer?[/QUOTE]I do not think William Greene carries that much weight. Yes. He is known, but he is not in the same category as the big boys like Conlin, Bain, Van Oeyen, etc.

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[JustinD]

Based on this example from a 2016 thread this is from a group of others.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=219271

I would think it is some self-developing card kit at that size.