Ohtani

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is the thing -- I think very few people think it's sustainable.

He has the talent, the only question, much like Mantle, is health.

[Snapolit1]

Regardless of sustainable, what he is accomplishing this season is nothing like anything we've ever seen.

Even more remarkable in that most Japanese players have come over here and been outmatched. This guy is on another level.

[Shoeless Moe]

I'll take Vlad Guerrero Junior over him any day of the week and going forward as well.....without blinking an eye.

[Shoeless Moe]

and Tatis.......and Eloy.......and.....

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and Tatis.......and Eloy.......and.....

Eloy? Seriously? He needs 34 homeruns at this point to catch up to Ohtani. Appreciate he's hitting 315.

[packs]

Ohtani's track record is what brings things into question. He is unquestionably having one of the most remarkable seasons anyone has ever had. But he also had a real turd of a season last year and wasn't particularly good either year before that, even if we won ROY.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Ohtani's track record is what brings things into question. He is unquestionably having one of the most remarkable seasons anyone has ever had. But he also had a real turd of a season last year and wasn't particularly good either year before that, even if we won ROY.

To be fair on the flip side he's hitting .272 and has pitched in 18 games. The dual role is remarkable and novel in the modern era of course.

[Frankish]

Originally Posted by packs

Ohtani's track record is what brings things into question. He is unquestionably having one of the most remarkable seasons anyone has ever had. But he also had a real turd of a season last year and wasn't particularly good either year before that, even if we won ROY.

You bring up a reasonable point, but I'm going to disagree. His rookie year was pretty impressive. Admittedly, it wasn't one for the record books, but that's a very high bar for rookie performance. He had a bad year last year, largely due to lingering injuries (in my lay opinion). Prior to those years, he was outstanding in Japan. I know a lot people dismiss that with comments about little league parks, etc, but I don't. Like Ichiro before him, he is a real talent that translates to MLB.

Although people are focused on the HR race because it is exciting, look at his pitching. With just a few years in MLB (and some of that injured) he is really coming along. Pitchers mature from just throwing the ball to pitching games and he is showing that brilliantly. The Angels suck (esp with with Trout out) but look at his pitching record. If we view him primarily as a pitcher who is also contributing truly outstanding offensive numbers, I think he is actually underappreciated relative to the others in his class (Guerrero, Tatis, Acuna, et al) as great as they may be.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Eloy? Seriously? He needs 34 homeruns at this point to catch up to Ohtani. Appreciate he's hitting 315.

You do know Eloy has played in only 20 games right?

He just came back.

Going to be a monster.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

You do know Eloy has played in only 20 games right?

He just came back.

Going to be a monster.

Isn't he already 24? Why such a late start, haven't really followed him.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and Tatis.......and Eloy.......and.....

..........Elmer Fudd