New member cuban cards

[Roland 49]

Yesterday I showed part of a photo that was used to print the 1928 Billiken cards, now you will see one of the sheets of my catalog where this collection appears, below a propaganda photo of the series that measures 8x10 inches, I ask those who see this Thread that they publish the cards they have from this rare collection, I would appreciate it if you would.

[Roland 49]

This is an envelope from the 1st day of 1992 for the Barcelona Olympics, where we see Kid Chocolate on one of the stamps and Martin Dihigo on the other.

[quinnsryche]

Anybody have any info on these? Rough shape but pretty rare I imagine. First one has Quincy Truoppe & Ray Dandridge, 2nd one Ray Dandridge, Minnie Minoso, Hoyt Wilhelm, Billy Herman, 3rd on Ray Dandridge, Tommy Lasorda, Hoyt Wilhelm, Billy Herman. Going to be for sale when I get some pricing info. PM me if interested.
Thanks,
Tony

[Roland 49]

Tony, those are the official programs that were sold every year at the beginning of the season, the three that samples were made during 5 seasons in a larger format that are the most interesting because it shows the photo of all the players and description of records etc, those They were made from 1949-50 to 1953-54, I have the complete collection in perfect condition and another almost perfect repeated one, prices vary according to the state of the cover, in Cuba over the last 30 years they have been sold between 25 and 50 dollars according to their state of conservation, now you would have to find out how they are sold on ebay or at auctions there in the United States, when I have time I will photograph them so you can see what you are missing and I will show them.

[Roland 49]

Tony, now I took a photo of the two programs that you are missing in the large format, there are programs from the 30s and the last one was from the 1960-61 championship, when you see them let me know, greetings.

[Exhibitman]

Nice stamps.

[ZenPop]

Any idea about what these are about?

They're original artworks on the front with this stamp on the back.

Wondering if they were one off original pieces, or if they were used in making cards out of them.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

[Roland 49]

Now you will see Bombin Pedroso in full body

[Roland 49]

All on Mondays at 2pm On Cuban TV they put on a program with western movies, today they put Geronimo, played by Connors, I saw her and took pictures of the screen, and as a curious thing I am going to show 2 photos, because they have asked me about The Rifle Man

[Roland 49]

Now you will see a picture of "Home Run" Johnson playing for Team Fe B.B.C. in Almendares Park.

[Roland 49]

In these last days I have had several emails with my friend the Cuban expitcher Pedro Ramos, he asked me to show him things about him, I am going to share with those who see this thread some of what I have sent him, when he saw these cards he told me : "Thank you, it is a very nice memory" in the other thread, then I am going to publish something I sent you and the response I received a few minutes ago, see the two threads.

[Roland 49]

The well-known catcher "Strike" González in an interview that made him manifest the following: "The best of all was Bombin Pedroso, he dominated the curves down and the corners like no other, Mendez the speed, but he surpassed Mendez and Luque, the best of all Bombin "

[tlwise12]

I've never seen that image of pedroso.

[GeoPoto]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

The well-known catcher "Strike" González

I don't know if "Strike" Gonzalez is 4-time World Series winner Mike Gonzalez. But here is Mike Gonzalez with Hank Thompson and Herberto Blanco.

Mike Gonzalez was the third base coach (for the last time) in the bottom of the eighth inning of the seventh and deciding game of the 1946 World Series when he may have attempted to stop Enos Slaughter's "Mad Dash". If Gonzalez put up a stop sign, Slaughter ignored it, as he scored the winning run and "dashed" into baseball history.

Gonzalez is also credited with coining a succinct and lasting piece of baseball terminology. Asked by the Giants to scout a winter league player, González judged that the player was outstanding defensively but a liability as a batter. He wired back a four-word scouting report: "Good field, no hit." That phrase is still in use today.

In 1947, Henry Thompson was the first black player to play for the St. Louis Browns. Herberto Blanco was a good example of a "Good field, no hit" player.

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[Jason19th]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

I don't know if "Strike" Gonzalez is 4-time World Series winner Mike Gonzalez. But here is Mike Gonzalez with Hank Thompson and Herberto Blanco.

Mike Gonzalez was the third base coach (for the last time) in the bottom of the eighth inning of the seventh and deciding game of the 1946 World Series when he may have attempted to stop Enos Slaughter's "Mad Dash". If Gonzalez put up a stop sign, Slaughter ignored it, as he scored the winning run and "dashed" into baseball history.

Gonzalez is also credited with coining a succinct and lasting piece of baseball terminology. Asked by the Giants to scout a winter league player, González judged that the player was outstanding defensively but a liability as a batter. He wired back a four-word scouting report: "Good field, no hit." That phrase is still in use today.

In 1947, Henry Thompson was the first black player to play for the St. Louis Browns. Herberto Blanco was a good example of a "Good field, no hit" player.

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No Strike Gonzales and Mike Gonzales are two different people. Since they were both catchers of the same era they are often confused in American Stories about Cuban baseball. There is an oft repeated story that John McGraw said that he would pay 100000 for Mike Gonzales if he were white. This led to the belief that Mike somehow snuck across the color line. While McGraw did make the statement he was talking about Strike who was a dark skinned black man

[Roland 49]

When I published my last message there were 3 messages: from Travis, from George and from Jason and that was very good, thanks to the 3, because with their opinions we can all know stories and anecdotes, for example George's photo I have not found it seen, I waited until today for more people to publish, but it was not like that, now I will give an explanation of what I know, McGbraw said the following: "If I could paint them even with lime, and they would be worth 100, 000 dollars" that said it In the presence of some people and next to them were Mendez and Strike, and he pointed to both of them, (in Cuba, cal as it is white, is used to paint mainly the ceilings, not the meaning in English, the translator put lime) by Strike I can say that he was considered the best Cuban catcher of all time, he was inseparable from Méndez but also from Bombin Luque and the Almendares pitchers

[GeoPoto]

This is a 1947 photograph of Brooklyn Dodgers star Pete Reiser in full uniform and taking a few hacks in the batting cage before a spring training game in Cuba.

Harold P. "Pete" Reiser. "Pistol Pete". Outfielder for the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1940-1942 and 1946-1948 and for the Cleveland Indians in 1952. 786 hits and 58 home runs in 10 MLB seasons. Phenomenal talent cut down by injuries resulting from reckless play, including MLB-record 11 times taken off the field on a stretcher. 3-time All-Star. 1963 World Series champion. 1941 NL Batting champion. 2-time NL stolen base leader. His best season was 1941 for the Brooklyn Dodgers as he posted a .406 OBP with 117 runs scored in 601 plate appearances.

The reverse of the photograph has a caption: International News Photos. Pete Packs a Wallop. Havana, Cuba . . . . . . During a warm-up game at the Dodger camp, Pete Reiser is shown winding up to hit one in the bleachers (he hopes). Catcher is Homer Howell. The Brooklyn team opens a three-day exhibition series against the Boston Braves here tonight. D.2.28.47.

Homer "Dixie" Howell had a "small" MLB career with 224 hits across 8 seasons, but he was a 1955 World Series champion and played a larger role in MLB history. In 1946, he had just returned from the war and was playing for the Montreal Royals. The 1946 Royals, led by second baseman Jackie Robinson, won the league championship and the Junior World Series, but are famous as the first racially integrated team in "organized baseball" since the 1880s. Howell witnessed Robinson's constant battle against intimidation—especially in the form of brushback pitches.

"I was with Jackie on Montreal", Howell told Roger Kahn in 1953. "The way he was thrown at that year was unbelievable. Unbelievable and disgraceful."

"You never saw anything like it", Howell said in a Los Angeles Times interview published eight months before his 1990 death. "Every time he came up, he'd go down!"

According to Robinson biographer Arnold Rampersad, Howell was one of two Southern-born Montreal players (with Marv Rackley) who personally wished Robinson well on his promotion to the parent Dodgers in April 1947, breaking the baseball color line.

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[Roland 49]

George wears the 3 photos of the 1941 series, now you will see something from the 1942 series, you will see that under his name it says Champion beats National League, if you want I will send you the covers of the programs. 2 - 1942

[Roland 49]

On November 26, 1911, in a match between New York and Almendares corresponding to the American series at Almendares Park, the Almendares team won 6 x 2, manager McGraw was worried about losing the match, but his team achieved fill the bases and immediately changed his mood, but in a very good play the cacther Strike González put out the 3rd player, and at that moment the fight began, McGraw yelling and offending Strike went to homeplate, and Strike although not He understood the screaming of the manager, he realized that he was offending him and between the two they shouted at each other and when the blows were about to begin the players of both teams managed to separate them so that the blood did not reach the river, the catcher between several people they took him away from McGraw and he continued to offend, and demanded that Strike be expelled from the game, and if they did not do so he would not continue the game, it was a great discussion that lasted about an hour and the public took to the field and the p Olicia trying to put order, so that there were no more problems, the Almendares manager replaced Strike, but the NY team did not make runs in that inning and lost, the Almendares picher was Bombin Pedroso, during the fight Chisty Mathewson and others from the players helped to calm the spirits. Now you will see an image in which we see McGraw saying to Rafael Almeida "he yelled at me ... he yelled at me" look at the photo on the far right McGraw with his right hand pointing to the previous comment, the other photo is Strike with a group of people who took him away from the fight and he is observing what happens. This story continues and I have several more images, if you want and are interested, let me know.

[Roland 49]

Regino Garcia (Mamelo) was one of the best hitters of the early twentieth century, he won 4 champion bat in a row from 1904-1907, and also a leader in doubles, triples, etc. they called "Regino's silver bat" and the reality is that it is the most beautiful bat I have ever seen, it has an artistic work of the first order in its silver and gold in its reliefs, when I was lucky enough to meet it many years ago, the first days I spent a few minutes recreating myself looking at it, but on the third day I discovered that it had a secret tunnel, I think that maybe to keep something or inside it and when I gave it to him in 1907 maybe I had a prize in money, now I show you the postcard of Regino from the collection Cabañas 1909.

[Roland 49]

Regino's bat has a plate with the following Description "Al Champion Bat de 1907 Regino García" in silver and embossed in gold.

[Roland 49]

They ask me by email about the events of the game in NY and Almendares the name of the main umpire, and this was the American Rigler, who tried to put order together with the police, McGraw's demands were that they remove Strike from the game because he yelled at him , but the one who started yelling and offending was McGraw, now there is an image of the conversation between McGraw and the umpire, There are more images and history but I think it is not of interest to those who see the thread, because when I asked if they wanted to see more Nobody responded, this is public by the email they sent me, if anyone is interested, let me know.

[Roland 49]

Responding to email, McGraw said that Strike had to be removed from the game, I show an image of the umpire giving the explanation to the Almendares players of McGraw's demand, José Mendez, Strike, Almeida and others appear, in the other photo you see McGraw saying that he did not follow the game not for all the Rockefeler fortune, in the other thread you will see more photos so as not to load this one.

[Roland 49]

George very well for the history of Merito Acosta, I will add some data, on December 2, 1918 playing for the Habana team he made a tripple play without assistance, that is, he took the 3 outs alone, playing the center, he chased a line And he caught it at the level of his shoes, with that momentum he floor 2nd base and took the out since the one who was in second did not arrive before and with that same impulse he ran to touch the first player who was ahead and although he returned speed quickly de Merito touched it before stepping on 1st base. Merito was the manager of the Marianao team in his debut in the 1922-23 championship and he was Champion of that year, he was also the owner of Marianao, he was President of the Havana Cubans, of Baldomero (Merito) Acosta there is much to write. now I show card # 1 from the H C collection, 1948,

[Roland 49]

The Vlll Convention for the 1957 World Series was held in Cuba, this is a badge of a participant sponsored by "Gillette"

[Roland 49]

Now I am going to ask a question to those who see this thread, in the hall of fame in the USA, I know that Dihigo, Mendez and Torriente belong because of their records in black leagues, I have read something that the big leagues and black leagues were unified My question is: currently which are the Cubans who belong to the Hall of Fame? I do not have that information.

[Roland 49]

A few minutes ago I connected to net54 to see if someone had done me the favor of answering my question on the 9th, when I connected and saw the thread the only thing I checked is the last post and I see that apparently no one has entered the thread, I did the He asks why I have difficulties in entering the Mlb site and it has been more than a month that I cannot see on ebay, I think that some of them know that question and maybe someone can inform me what I want to know, maybe they are not seeing the thread, as I have some months I do not know well if there is any way to see who enters to see what I publish, thank you.

[Schlesinj]

The Hall of Fame has among its 312 elected members four Cuban-born players: Martín Dihigo, José Mendez, Tony Pérez, and Cristóbal Torriente. No nation other than the United States can claim as many as four Hall of Famers.

[Roland 49]

Jamie, thank you very much for the information, I knew these 4 Cuban members, but a few months ago I read something that said that there was going to be a unification between the hof major leagues and black leagues and I thought that perhaps some more Cuban had entered, for example Alejandro Oms to name a few, in 2000, I received a visit at my home from 3 people who worked at that time in Cooperstown, and they gave me the yearbook for that year, which was when Tony Pérez was inducted, thanks again for the information Tomorrow I plan to put photos, I ask you do you want to see something that may interest you?

[Schlesinj]

I think you are describing the addition of the Negro league stats to unify confirmed Negro league stats to MLB historical statistics. That did occur within the last 6 months:

Https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2021/06/...rence-database

https://www.baseball-reference.com/n...-leagues.shtml

[Roland 49]

From the collection Almanaque Deportivo 1947 I show a block of 4 without trimming front and back: Mike Gonzalez Formental Conrado Perez and Hayworth

[Jason19th]

In 1947 Mike Gonzalez was 57 years old. Looking At that card above I wouldn’t have thought he was a day under 90

[Roland 49]

In this photo from the 1950s, you can see Cubans belonging to different MLB teams.

[Roland 49]

Jason, you're right about Mike Gonzalez now you'll see a 1948-49 card from the Caramelos El Indio collection

[Roland 49]

Yesterday I showed a card of Mike González from the El Indio collection, now I show Mike himself, from the Campo Alegre 1947 collection, both are quite rare.

[Roland 49]

Photos Magazine published on its cover a photo of Mike González and Adolfo Luque in an exhibition that made their time as players remembered, at that time they were the managers of Habana and Almendares

[Roland 49]

Susini and Le Blanc, the great tragedy, in 1922 in a game between the Cuba and Central teams of the Sugar League, due to a bad decision by the umpire, there was a great discussion and pitcher Le Blanc, after having retired, returned again screaming and offending and Susini who had the bat in his hands, with all his strength he hit Le Blanc's skull and after a few minutes he died, Susine was sentenced to 12 years in prison, and his entire promising career in baseball was null and void. For the Cubans Stars in exhibitions in the United States, now I show a photo that I edit of the Cienfuegos amateur team from 1912, you see Le Blanc sitting, but the most interesting thing is that the one seen below is Cristobal Torriente amateurs.

[Roland 49]

Now I show a pennant from the Cuban team of the Federation championship in La Tropical, that team was directed by Napoleón Reyes.

[Roland 49]

Now I show the cover of a notebook with a musical score of in Danzón (Cuban musical genre) that was composed for Adolfo Luque, of his triumphant return from the Mlb, when he had the record of games won

[GeoPoto]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Now I show the cover of a notebook with a musical score of in Danzón (Cuban musical genre) that was composed for Adolfo Luque

Adolpho D. "Dolf" Luque. Pitcher for four MLB teams betwen 1914-1935. 194 wins and 29 saves in 20 MLB seasons. 2-time World Series champion -- 1919 (Cincinnati) and 1933 (New York Giants). MLB wins leader in 1923. 2-time MLB ERA leader. Member of the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame. Member of the Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame and one of Cuban baseball's most famous figures.

From Luque's SABR biography: Yet despite this . . . surprisingly early trickle of Cuban players northward, there was but a single Cubano who garnered even moderate attention in the US leagues during pro baseball’s initial three-quarters of a century. Racial barriers had almost everything to do with this, of course. The grandest of the early Cuban hurling and slugging phenoms were simply too black in skin pigment ever to penetrate America’s exclusively white-toned national sport during the race-driven eras of Adrian “Cap” Anson and Kenesaw Mountain Landis.

Thus just one lonely pioneer – Adolfo Luque (LOO-kay), a fireplug right-hander who debuted with Boston’s National Leaguers in 1914 and was already a veteran mound-corps mainstay with the Cincinnati club when the infamous 1919 Black Sox World Series rolled around – was left to carry the Cuban big-league banner throughout the half-century preceding World War II. Perhaps more embarrassing for Cuban baseball than the mere isolation of Luque’s big-league career was the persistent flavor of his negative image in Chicago, Boston, New York, St. Louis, and all points north. Unfortunately, this light-skinned if dark-tempered Cuban idol maintained a lasting reputation with big-league fans and ballpark scribes alike that was never quite as “fair and balanced” as most Cuban fans would have wished for back home.

Adolfo Luque today, of course, holds a rare place in Cuban baseball lore – the only Caribbean islander to earn even a modicum of big-league fame during the first half-century of modern major-league history. Between Nap Lajoie and Jackie Robinson, the few dozen Cubans who worked their way north were either brief curiosities in Organized Baseball (journeyman “coffee-tasters” like receiver Miguel Angel “Mike” González with the National League Boston and St. Louis outfits, and erratic outfielder Armando Marsans with Cincinnati) or else passing shadows who barely tasted the proverbial cup of big-league coffee (altogether forgettable names like Rafael Almeida, Angel Aragón, José Acosta, and Oscar Tuero). Numerous others – including some of the most famous and talented back home in Havana (Martin Dihigo, Cristóbal Torriente, and José Méndez head the list) – toured with black barnstorming outfits that rarely, if ever, passed before the eyes of the white baseball press.

By sharp contrast, Luque was something altogether special. His big-league credentials would by career’s end nearly approximate the numbers posted by many of his contemporaries destined for Cooperstown enshrinement once the game decided to formalize its history with a sacred hall of immortals. Twice (with the Reds in 1919 and the Giants in 1933) he experienced the pinnacle of World Series victory. As a near-200-game winner, he blazed trails that no other Latin ballplayer would approximate for decades. And back in Cuba he generated a feverish following for the big-league game and in the process carved out as well a lasting loyalty for “our beloved Reds” (“nuestros queridos rojos”) among baseball-crazy Habaneros. Yet, for all that, his career was destined to be cursed by the fate that eventually became a personal calling card for nearly all early Latin American ballplayers blessed with appropriate talent and skin tone to make their way to the baseball big-time. Among North American fans and writers Dolf Luque would always remain a familiar stereotype – a cartoon figure rather than a genuine baseball hero. At least this was the case at all stops north of Key West or Miami.

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[Roland 49]

Photo of a game between Almendares and Habana in the Great Stadium of Havana in the 50s, you can see the cameraman who acted behind the homeplate

[GeoPoto]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

the Cuban team of the Federation championship in La Tropical, that team was directed by Napoleón Reyes.

Napoleón A. "Nap" Reyes. Third baseman/first baseman with the New York Giants in 1943-45 and 1950. 264 hits and 13 home runs in 4 MLB seasons.

Reyes is also a member of the Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame and the Caribbean Baseball Hall of Fame.

In 1946, he was among the players seduced by Jorge Pasquel to jump to the Mexican League. For that, he was blacklisted by MLB. He would eventually return to the New York Giants in 1950, but would only get a single plate appearance.

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[Roland 49]

George, you always publish something interesting, with the N. Reyes, Acebo card, now I show you the two Napoleon Reyes cards that were printed in the collection, thank you and keep publishing George.