OT: Michael Jordan Mania

[Snapolit1]

Actually what I saw was this article about what PSA graded in one month (June).

In one month they graded 2700 1990-91 Fleer.

The bulk of the modern cards graded by PSA–some 277,000—were basketball cards and 50,000 of those featured one player: Michael Jordan. That would seem to indicate a lot of collectors took advantage of last year’s Collectors Club special that offered a chance to grade most standard issue Jordan cards for less than $10. Most of the Jordan cards graded were from 1989-1991 including 2,700 1990-91 Fleer. 7.6% of those were graded Gem Mint 10 and 43% were given a 9. PSA has now graded over 26,000 1990-91 Fleer Jordan cards.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Actually what I saw was this article about what PSA graded in one month (June).

In one month they graded 2700 1990-91 Fleer.

The bulk of the modern cards graded by PSA–some 277,000—were basketball cards and 50,000 of those featured one player: Michael Jordan. That would seem to indicate a lot of collectors took advantage of last year’s Collectors Club special that offered a chance to grade most standard issue Jordan cards for less than $10. Most of the Jordan cards graded were from 1989-1991 including 2,700 1990-91 Fleer. 7.6% of those were graded Gem Mint 10 and 43% were given a 9. PSA has now graded over 26,000 1990-91 Fleer Jordan cards.

They ran a Michael Jordan quarterly special and are grading those cards now. Of course there's a lot. But these aren't 1986 Fleer Jordans. Literally zero of them.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They ran a Michael Jordan quarterly special and are grading those cards now. Of course there's a lot. But these aren't 1986 Fleer Jordans. Literally zero of them.

There was a sub a few years back that had 3 86 Jordan 10's in one submission. Hardly a rare card if you can hit 3 dimes in one submission.

There is a lot of 13 of them for sale right now ffs.

Card is massively manipulated, multiple guys own multiple copies and it is ridiculously easy to control the price on this card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by japhi

There was a sub a few years back that had 3 86 Jordan 10's in one submission. Hardly a rare card if you can hit 3 dimes in one submission.

There is a lot of 13 of them for sale right now ffs.

Card is massively manipulated, multiple guys own multiple copies and it is ridiculously easy to control the price on this card.

I wonder, too, how many have been "helped" into that 10 holder. A card doctor favorite, I imagine.

LOL the subheading on the lot of 13 -- YOU CAN CONTROL THE MARKET!

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wonder, too, how many have been "helped" into that 10 holder. A card doctor favorite, I imagine.

LOL the subheading on the lot of 13 -- YOU CAN CONTROL THE MARKET!

The guy that hit the three is a known card doctor and had been buying 8s and 9s in volume. 100% chance those three had a haircut prior to submission.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by japhi

The guy that hit the three is a known card doctor and had been buying 8s and 9s in volume. 100% chance those three had a haircut prior to submission.

I suspect it's the same one rumored to own several dozen of them.

[Michael B]

Where are Vin Diesel, Scott Caan and Ben Affleck when you need them? This is almost a classic pump and dump. These days they don't need phone banks to find the rubes; they have so-meds (my word) which these suckers follow faithfully.

It is like looking at the alumni list of Clown College.

[maniac_73]

I still cant tell the difference between a 9 and a 10 and the cost between them is nothing but an elaborate marketing scheme to me.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

I still cant tell the difference between a 9 and a 10 and the cost between them is nothing but an elaborate marketing scheme to me.

I couldn't agree more, but now we are lucky enough to have the people taking a vig on the sale of the 10's telling us which 10's better than other 10's lol. The image of Arthur Fonzerelli on some water skis comes to mind.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by GregC

I couldn't agree more, but now we are lucky enough to have the people taking a vig on the sale of the 10's telling us which 10's better than other 10's lol. The image of Arthur Fonzerelli on some water skis comes to mind.

Good Point

Go Fonzie go

[Snapolit1]

I guess appealing to the vanity and ego of ultra rich people and playing them for a fool is a very lucrative way to make money. Probably not breaking news.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by GregC

I couldn't agree more, but now we are lucky enough to have the people taking a vig on the sale of the 10's telling us which 10's better than other 10's lol. The image of Arthur Fonzerelli on some water skis comes to mind.

Who are you to doubt the integrity of a company that created a tool to bypass sales tax laws and looks the other way at shill bidding?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Who are you to doubt the integrity of a company that created a tool to bypass sales tax laws and looks the other way at shill bidding?

And Opines in conservation services? Likely providing them, or picking which cards go for them

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They ran a Michael Jordan quarterly special and are grading those cards now. Of course there's a lot. But these aren't 1986 Fleer Jordans. Literally zero of them.

OK. I stand corrected. Thanks.

[MattyC]

Just for perspective, there are over a thousand more 1986 Fleer Jordans in Mint 9 PSA holders alone (2800) as there are 1952 Topps Mantles in all PSA grades (~1700), not taking the handful of PSA/DNA signed examples into account. I'd imagine the spread gets much wider factoring in Jordans deemed mint by BGS.

[Schlesinj]

Basketball is huge around the world and I suspect we are seeing international appeal to one of the most recognized faces in the world for the last 35 years.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Informal poll, who here has shipped a basketball card overseas. Anyone? I keep hearing this story, but have seen no evidence to back it up.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Informal poll, who here has shipped a basketball card overseas. Anyone? I keep hearing this story, but have seen no evidence to back it up.

I've been hearing it for a good 15-20 years since AT LEAST the day Yao Ming joined the league.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Informal poll, who here has shipped a basketball card overseas. Anyone? I keep hearing this story, but have seen no evidence to back it up.

I don't sell a ton of cards, but the majority of the ones I have sold are basketball cards. I've definitely sold a lot of them to people overseas. I would guess that 20% or more of my basketball card sales on ebay go to international buyers. Especially ultra modern stuff like Luka and Zion Rookies or Michael Jordan, Lebron, and Kobe.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Informal poll, who here has shipped a basketball card overseas. Anyone? I keep hearing this story, but have seen no evidence to back it up.

I collected a lot of 1990s basketball inserts. I did a bunch of trading with collectors in China, Hong Kong and Australia. I think Jordan was very popular in China, probably still is.

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[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Informal poll, who here has shipped a basketball card overseas. Anyone? I keep hearing this story, but have seen no evidence to back it up.

Hi, I have sent a few basketball cards over seas in the past 3 years. they are to people I have known however. not a stranger from an ebay sale.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

Basketball is huge accords the world and I suspect we are seeing international appeal to one of the most recognized faces in the world for the last 35 years.

This right here. Add in all the collectors in Europe, Australia, China and SE Asia that could care less about a 1952 Topps Mantle, that demand more than makes up for the higher supply. The 52 T Mantle isn't a rare card either. They are in pretty much every auction. They are always available on eBay and at card shows.