Grading using artificial intelligence

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're thinking of an episode of the Munsters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnsw9Q2RV-E

Drop The Mike.

Point Made

[maniac_73]

Snowman, I've worked in Sports Technology for 20 years and that was the best breakdown of AI/ML that I have ever read. Thank you for that!

[abothebear]

Here is what I would want out of a third-party grade. I realize that the populace does not want this, but it makes the most sense to me as one who wants to buy and sell online (where the seller cannot have them in hand to check for themselves).

I'd like a verdict on five or six categories (like what Becket does), but with no composite "score." I realize the composite score is the main driver for the market, people want their card ranked, and they want the math done for them so they can price point it. But I just need a third party to tell me what I can't see for myself (centering is not necessary but could easily be measured and a ratio included, so why not add that). But clarity and color I can see from the scans, I don't need a TPG to add that into their composite score. For "Altered" there should be two only two possible answers - Signs of Altering detected or No signs of Altering detected.

And I'd like the grading levels were broader (not a 10 scale, maybe take one or two levels out of the poor to mint scale).

Real: Y
Trimmed: No
Altered: No signs found
Centering Front: Vert60/40, Hor58/42
Centering Back: Vert67/33, Hor28/72
Corners: Very Good
Edges: Near Mint
Surface texture front: Fair
Surface texture back: Good

Again, I realize that in the market the score is everything, and this is a pipe dream, but as a buyer, this is what I want to see, and all I want to see. I want to look at the scans, verify what I see or don't see against the TPG readings, and go about my business.

[AndrewJerome]

Snowman,

Just wanted to thank you for the incredibly detailed breakdown. The information you provided is a fascinating read for us "card dorks."

Andrew

[Johnny630]

Big Thank You To Snowman !!! Really informative

[Peter_Spaeth]

Snow, very much appreciate the time you took. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play.

This should put a stop to all the lofty talk we've heard from people about how AI is going to be a game changer.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Snow, very much appreciate the time you took.

+1 Great job and great detail. Better understanding now. Long way to go

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Snow, very much appreciate the time you took. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play.

This should put a stop to all the lofty talk we've heard from people about how AI is going to be a game changer.

I'd be a poor data scientist if I didn't also point out this this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and if so, it wouldn't be the first time I was proven wrong by someone more creative and intelligent than myself who found a new method of solving a difficult problem that changes the game for everyone. That said, I'd gladly wager a lot of money against it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'd be a poor data scientist if I didn't also point out this this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and if so, it wouldn't be the first time I was proven wrong by someone more creative and intelligent than myself who found a new method of solving a difficult problem that changes the game for everyone. That said, I'd gladly wager a lot of money against it.

Well, the GenaMint guy has posted here, let's see if he has a rebuttal. I'm very impressed though with the force of your arguments and the clarity with which you made them.

[maniac_73]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'd be a poor data scientist if I didn't also point out this this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and if so, it wouldn't be the first time I was proven wrong by someone more creative and intelligent than myself who found a new method of solving a difficult problem that changes the game for everyone. That said, I'd gladly wager a lot of money against it.

I think you are right. It technically can be done but the insane cost and resources to develop are not worth the ROI like Self Driving cars.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'd be a poor data scientist if I didn't also point out this this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and if so, it wouldn't be the first time I was proven wrong by someone more creative and intelligent than myself who found a new method of solving a difficult problem that changes the game for everyone. That said, I'd gladly wager a lot of money against it.

Agree with you. As you pointed out in your detailed narrative, there will always be a need for human involvement and input in regards to AI and ML, and that is the biggest problem with just turning everything over to machines and computers. The next generations don't bother learning about the actual details of how to do things without the machines/computers, so when something happens and you can't use them, the younger generations may not have the ability to maintain or fix things going forward because they've learned to just let the computers/machines do everything. As more and more baby boomers retire every day, we are losing experience and knowledge in many areas that the younger people aren't taking up. So say they do end up using AI/ML to eventually grade cards, after some time all the experienced human card graders who had been helping to maintain those automated gradings systems will have retired or passed. So what happens then if problems or issues occur requiring more human involvement, and there aren't really any experienced graders around?

And this is for everything when it comes to the younger generations, not just the grading of cards by machines. Just think how many times you've gone to a store and given a young cashier money, and if it wasn't for the register doing the calculation for them, they can't really figure out the proper change.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by AndrewJerome

Snowman,

Just wanted to thank you for the incredibly detailed breakdown. The information you provided is a fascinating read for us "card dorks."

Andrew

I just read your three posts and agree completely.

Thank you very much.