The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think they're token. I think in each case the side moving toward change has carefully thought about what they're doing. To dismiss them just because is worse than anything cancel culture can bring about. Monuments are public structures that are a part of people's lives who live around them. I would have a big issue with a Hitler statue in my neighborhood. I don't care if that makes me a cancel culture person. It's how I feel about a person who impacted my family.

Abraham Lincoln is not Hitler, nor is Woodrow Wilson. That isn't persuasive. How do you feel about removing Lincoln's name from schools? How carefully thought out was what the SF School Board did? Or what Princeton did in renaming the Woodrow Wilson School?

[packs]

I don't live in those places so how could I answer those questions? If you're interested why not contact people involved with both causes?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't live in those places so how could I answer those questions? If you're interested why not contact people involved with both causes?

No need, the reasoning in each case was explained, I just disagreed with it and viewed the acts as token political correctness that weren't at all helpful to the presumed goal of improving society. Maybe we should be talking, for example, about the huge problem of children born to single mothers rather than worrying who a dorm is named after.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No need, the reasoning in each case was explained, I just disagreed with it and viewed the acts as token political correctness that weren't at all helpful to the presumed goal of improving society. Maybe we should be talking, for example, about the huge problem of children born to single mothers rather than worrying who a dorm is named after.

Why? What does one thing have to do with the other? If I'm living in a dorm named after someone who wronged my family, regardless of what you might think of them from afar, how does my issue with living in a place named for them relate to single mothers?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Why? What does one thing have to do with the other? If I'm living in a dorm named after someone who wronged my family, regardless of what you might think of them from afar, how does my issue with living in a place named for them relate to single mothers?

Because the effort and energy of certain groups are directed at the dorm, not the real issue hurting people.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Because the effort and energy of certain groups are directed at the dorm, not the real issue hurting people.

How does a random single mother enter into the equation if I'm a student in a dorm named after someone who affected my life negatively, in addition to the lives of others, who may similarly be involved in the effort to change the name of the building? You're deflecting now because you don't think things are as important as others. But that is what I've been saying. Maybe you could consider the lived lives of other people and what's important to them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

How does a random single mother enter into the equation if I'm a student in a dorm named after someone who affected my life negatively, in addition to the lives of others, who may similarly be involved in the effort to change the name of the building? You're deflecting now because you don't think things are as important as others. But that is what I've been saying. Maybe you could consider the lived lives of other people and what's important to them.

You know as well as I do that this is not just done at the local/micro level and that there are national groups articulating their priorities.