The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[packs]

There is all this talk about cancel culture etc. but the same people who rally against cancel culture, which is ultimately based around respect, are people who took huge issue with things like kneeling during a song or wanting to have a say in what bathrooms people use. Everyone on either side thinks the argument is dumb to be having in the first place.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

There is all this talk about cancel culture etc. but the same people who rally against cancel culture, which is ultimately based around respect, are people who took huge issue with things like kneeling during a song or wanting to have a say in what bathrooms people use. Everyone on either side thinks the argument is dumb to be having in the first place.

I personally have no issue with players kneeling respectfully during the anthem to make a point, but at the same time I think cancel culture is getting out of hand when it targets people like Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson.

[packs]

That might be because you weren't affected by their lived lives.

Do I think cancel culture can go too far? Yes, but ultimately it is a social view based in respect and shifting attitudes toward social issues that would have either been indifferent to an issue or even encouraged it by omission. For example, I don't think there's any reason for a woman to put up with sexual harassment at work while they're trying to make a living. If you're accused and guilty of that behavior, you haven't been cancelled. You've been held accountable. And while people might like calling it cancel culture in a detrimental way, it's more about accountability for me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

That might be because you weren't affected by their lived lives.

Do I think cancel culture can go too far? Yes, but ultimately it is a social view based in respect and shifting attitudes toward social issues that would have either been indifferent to an issue or even encouraged it by omission. For example, I don't think there's any reason for a woman to put up with sexual harassment at work while they're trying to make a living. If you're accused and guilty of that behavior, you haven't been cancelled. You've been held accountable. And while people might like calling it cancel culture in a detrimental way, it's more about accountability for me.

I have no problem with people taking a strong stand against sexual harassment (and worse) in the workplace. It's the token gestures against historical figures who are long since dead, that I find more problematic in some cases. Learn from history, don't pull a 1984 and try to erase it.

By the way I'd be willing to bet many highly respected names from history were anti-Semitic. Should we cancel them too?

[packs]

I don't think they're token. I think in each case the side moving toward change has carefully thought about what they're doing. To dismiss them just because is worse than anything cancel culture can bring about. Monuments are public structures that are a part of people's lives who live around them. I would have a big issue with a Hitler statue in my neighborhood. I don't care if that makes me a cancel culture person. It's how I feel about a person who impacted my family.

[Fred]

Groot should be the teams first mascot

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think they're token. I think in each case the side moving toward change has carefully thought about what they're doing. To dismiss them just because is worse than anything cancel culture can bring about. Monuments are public structures that are a part of people's lives who live around them. I would have a big issue with a Hitler statue in my neighborhood. I don't care if that makes me a cancel culture person. It's how I feel about a person who impacted my family.

Abraham Lincoln is not Hitler, nor is Woodrow Wilson. That isn't persuasive. How do you feel about removing Lincoln's name from schools? How carefully thought out was what the SF School Board did? Or what Princeton did in renaming the Woodrow Wilson School?

[packs]

I don't live in those places so how could I answer those questions? If you're interested why not contact people involved with both causes?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think they're token. I think in each case the side moving toward change has carefully thought about what they're doing. To dismiss them just because is worse than anything cancel culture can bring about. Monuments are public structures that are a part of people's lives who live around them. I would have a big issue with a Hitler statue in my neighborhood. I don't care if that makes me a cancel culture person. It's how I feel about a person who impacted my family.

Just curious.... Should we use your standards to cancel Martin Luther King (and his national holiday?) Or will we choose to be hypocritical?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...uments-227042/


The most shocking claim Garrow relates is that King was present in a hotel room when a friend of his, Baltimore pastor Logan Kearse, raped a woman who resisted participating in unspecified sexual acts. The FBI agent who surveilled the room asserted that King “looked on, laughed and offered advice.” Other allegations include that King’s philandering—long known to be extensive—was even more rampant than historians knew; that King took part in group sex; that King may have fathered a child with one of his mistresses; and—less pruriently—that King continued taking money from his onetime ally Stanley Levison, a Communist Party member, even after he was supposed to have broken off ties.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Just curious.... Should we use your standards to cancel Martin Luther King (and his national holiday?) Or will we choose to be hypocritical?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...uments-227042/


The most shocking claim Garrow relates is that King was present in a hotel room when a friend of his, Baltimore pastor Logan Kearse, raped a woman who resisted participating in unspecified sexual acts. The FBI agent who surveilled the room asserted that King “looked on, laughed and offered advice.” Other allegations include that King’s philandering—long known to be extensive—was even more rampant than historians knew; that King took part in group sex; that King may have fathered a child with one of his mistresses; and—less pruriently—that King continued taking money from his onetime ally Stanley Levison, a Communist Party member, even after he was supposed to have broken off ties.

Take up any cause that means something to you. I don't decide what you're interested in.