The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No I mean the ones you would change the names to. No point removing a name if the new one did something inappropriate too.

Guess what, we aren't terribly likely to find anyone free of sin. So maybe we shouldn't name anything after anyone. Be like New York, PS 129. Fort 33. Oak City. Tear down EVERY statue except horses.

So which is it? People that said something or someone that did something?

They (currently names Generals) rebelled against their country. Why should they have an entire base named after them?

Do you even know anything about the two people I mentioned and how it might make sense? Do you even know anything about the people who the bases are currently named after?

I’ll wait while you Google who they are and respond.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BCauley

So which is it? People that said something or someone that did something?

They rebelled against their country. Why should they have an entire base named after them?

Do you even know anything about the two people I mentioned and how it might make sense? I’ll wait while you Google who they are and respond.


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Yes I know who they are, and spare me the patronizing crap, but you are missing my point. Do you really think the distinction between word and deed will hold up if we make that the standard? Didn't Princeton get rid of the Woodrow Wilson School because of things he said?

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes I know who they are, and spare me the patronizing crap, but you are missing my point. Do you really think the distinction between word and deed will hold up if we make that the standard? Didn't Princeton get rid of the Woodrow Wilson School because of things he said?

To make clear, I did edit in the middle of when you apparently responded. I don’t know how to add an edit reason in Tapatalk. I’m a technological moron and don’t know how to do it. I’m used to desktop.

You’re stuck in things people said and what people did.

The people the bases are named after rebelled against the U.S. That’s what they DID. Why should that be celebrated? Do you celebrate the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th?

The people I mentioned actually have significance to the U.S. military history which, again, I highly doubt you know unless you Google right now. And that’s not patronizing, not many people at all know who they are. It’s stating a fact.




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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BCauley

To make clear, I did edit in the middle of when you apparently responded. I don’t know how to add an edit reason in Tapatalk. I’m a technological moron and don’t know how to do it. I’m used to desktop.

You’re stuck in things people said and what people did.

The people the bases are named after rebelled against the U.S. That’s what they DID. Why should that be celebrated? Do you celebrate the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th?

The people I mentioned actually have significance to the U.S. military history which, again, I highly doubt you know unless you Google right now. And that’s not patronizing, not many people at all know who they are. It’s stating a fact.




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I agree they are significant individuals. But you shouldn't assume someone else doesn't know something just because the average person might not. That is patronizing or at least presumptive. Do you know anything about me, or my interests or education or what I read and study for example? Audie Murphy btw is pretty well known, although I will grant you Scholtes, whose name YOU misspelled by the way lol, is not.

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I agree they are significant individuals. But you shouldn't assume someone else doesn't know something just because the average person might not. That is patronizing or at least presumptive. Do you know anything about me, or my interests or education or what I read and study for example?

And you’re right, I shouldn’t assume.

I’m going on my personal experience and mentioning these people among others in conversations with many civilian and military personnel.

You still haven’t answered any of my questions though. Specifically, and now I can’t see my comment so it’s not word for word, why should they have a base named after them? What did they do to accomplish such an honor since they rebelled against the country? Additionally, should those on the 6th of January be celebrated as well?


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BCauley

And you’re right, I shouldn’t assume.

I’m going on my personal experience and mentioning these people among others in conversations with many civilian and military personnel.

You still haven’t answered any of my questions though.


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I despise anyone who participated in January 6. I'd have to think some more about the forts, I guess my overall point is it seems futile to try to redo things like names that have been there so long that as you point out most people don't even know their significance. To me it's more a feel-good virtue signaling gesture than anything that will make a real difference. Now if you're talking the Confederate flag, that's a living symbol, so I'm in favor of getting rid of that no question.

As I posted before, renaming a school named for Lincoln pushed me over the edge on the cancel culture thing.

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I despise anyone who participated in January 6. I'd have to think some more about the forts, I guess my overall point is it seems futile to try to redo things like names that have been there so long that as you point out most people don't even know their significance. To me it's more a feel-good virtue signaling gesture than anything that will make a real difference. Now if you're talking the Confederate flag, that's a living symbol, so I'm in favor of getting rid of that no question.

As I posted before, renaming a school named for Lincoln pushed me over the edge on the cancel culture thing.

I had no idea of the Lincoln school being renamed until I saw something in this thread. That’s something I’d like to read up on as well as much deeper into these guys the forts were named after.

As someone who was stationed at Ft Bragg for 3.5 years (including 15 months deployed), nobody knew who the hell he was nor did anybody care.

It would be more of a pain in the ass than anything to go about changing the name, but I don’t feel like they deserve a fort named after them. With that said, I do believe hardly anybody knows who these guys are anyway so it probably doesn’t matter anyway. Save the taxpayers some money.

Maybe someday people from all ends of the spectrum will stop getting outraged because some talking heads said to do so.


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