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Old 07-21-2021, 02:05 AM
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Bill James ranks Honus Wagner as the #2 player of all time and his 1908 season as the greatest ever. Hall of Fame voters gave Wagner the same number of votes as Ruth. It may be your opinion that the gap is big, but I and many others strongly disagree.
The numbers don't lie. And James is wrong about Wagner's 1908.
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The numbers don't lie. And James is wrong about Wagner's 1908.
Live ball vs deadball
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Not only live ball vs dead ball, but I don't understand how all the complicated modern metrics could even be applied so far back.

How could you really judge Wagner's defensive WAR from back in 1899 in the same manner as today? I'm guessing that more chances is assumed to mean a better range, but is it really that simple?
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That Ruth was better than Wagner, or by how much, isn't the issue. This is the great American baseball card, a cultural icon, in a way the Ruth is not.
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Let's just put it this way: The T206 Wagner is to baseball cards what Ruth is to ballplayers.
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Let's just put it this way: The T206 Wagner is to baseball cards what Ruth is to ballplayers.
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Everyone has their own opinions and that is what makes the hobby great.Personally, given the choice of the two I would take the Ruth every time.
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