Kashin R316 Short prints

[Baseball Bob]

I keep a pretty close eye on the cards passing through the market, and in the six years that I have avidly been collecting the set I have never seen either Roush or Leach with the overprint. Even if I didn’t buy the card I make a note of it on my spreadsheet.
Of course, the most mysterious set of all is the 5x7 premiums, which has at least 12 more cards than the regular issue, and no evidence of who printed them at all!

[DaveW]

Great info Eric! That would mean that the USA cards were printed from the final group of cards that included Todt and Hadley, but not Seibold, Haines, Leach or Roush. The cards with the movie theater backs were done in 1933. I think they were trying different things to sell these ( or just get rid of the remaining inventory). I don’t know much about the 5x7 cards but they must be related. I didn’t know that there were 12 extra subjects. Who were they? Is it known who was in that set? They certainly weren’t released in boxes. I wonder if the Canadian ones were in boxes of 25. If so, wouldn’t they have to have “Made in U.S.A.” on the box also?

[rhettyeakley]

Dave, if you look above the boxes shown all have “Made in USA” printed on them already so they likely didn’t need to change the box at all. It may have just been a case of the law in the USA just needing that info on the package where they came from while the Canadian law (or maybe even just preferred practice) was to have contents also indicating the same thing.

This is somewhat similar to American 20th Century Tobacco Cards requiring the Factory # on all inserts found within the package. At that time Canadian Tobacco cards (C-cards) & British Tobacco cards did not have this requirement and thus have no Factory #. It is always my first rule when teaching someone new to card collecting a quick and easy way to tell the country of origin of 20th Century Tobacco Cards… if there is a Factory # it is American.

[DaveW]

Thanks Rhett! You are right of course. It still seems odd that if the box says Made in U.S.A that each card must also say it.

[Baseball Bob]

The Premium set contains all 101 players from the standard size set, plus the following:
Benge
Bressler
Brickell
Cochrane
Dudley
Gilbert
Lind
McNeely
Metzler
Mitchell
Morgan
Myer

There may be others, but to my knowledge, this is it. They are truly beautiful portraits. Tim Newcombe is probably the most knowledgeable on this particular set. In my opinion, this set had to have been issued after the original. You might want to check out the article that I wrote for Old Cardboard magazine in 2016. I had input from several collectors of the R316 set and other than the incomplete origin story of the short prints, it is interesting background.

Cheers,
Eric