Let's talk about Hall of Fame candidates who have been "neglected"

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Originally Posted by rats60

Do you have any evidence that Piazza or Bagwell used steroids? Accusations without evidence are worthless.



Caminiti can claim whatever he wants, but without names and evidence, his claims aren't believable.



None of the rest are steroids and are irrelevant to my post. Also, using something allowed by MLB is not the same as using something banned.

Accusations are just that, until proven. But they usually have some truths. Below is actual admittance.

So, androstenedione, the same PED McGwire openly endorsed, was used by Piazza. He openly discussed using it in 2011 and 2013. His claim was Andro didn't do anthony for him. He wasn't hitting the ball any farther then he did previously so he stopped. But thats admission. Was Andro a banned substance yet, No. Was it a PED yes. McGwire has never been proven to take any steroids other then Andro which at the time was available everywhere. You could get andro500 at Walmart. So McGwire shouldn't have the steroid tag because he used it when it was banned?

http://www.metstoday.com/8374/12-13-...mits-peds-use/

Caminiti had demons but he had no known vendetta against baseball's fraternity like Canseco. He did name Bagwell, one of his closest friends, to Verducci as a user he knowingly ingested. He also named Luis Gonzalez, Mo Vaughn, Man Ram & Andy Pettite ( who admitted use). He defended players as well, saying Biggio, Gwynn and Hoffman had no desire. His claims that you are staying at irrelevant, opened the flood doors on the rampant use in MLB.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/30/s...lubhouses.html

Canseco jumped on that narratives coattail to profitize for his book. That was obvious. Motives between the 2 players should be in question, that's why Cansecos integrity comes into play, but his credibility still remains. He was a known user that wanted all other users to go down on the sinking ship with him. Both have accused players who we now know took steroids positively. Maybe the forms weren't illegal yet because the technology wasnt presnt to make that informative desicision, much like many other substances that weren't banned for decades. Yes they used something allowed by baseball. But it doesn't mean they didnt use PEDs. McGwire is deserving to go in based n your argument, MLB didn't have it banned yet and McG said he stopped taking it once it was banned.

One can easily make the argument it's MLBs fault for not regulating substances/ PEDs fron the onset. If a player tests or gets caught taking/ doing anything not natural they get suspended. MLB has obviously turned a blind eye to the situation. It took cans outcries to make the situations relevant. Much like rosin and sunscreen. Something pitcher's and catchers have been encouraged to do for decades. But the public court of appeal demanded change. So MLB trys to act innocent and fix problems they basically encouraged.

You don't think MLB should have said something when Ted Williams, Jerry Coleman and other fighter pilots returned fromWW2 with the mighty power of greenies? It took MLB more then 50 years to ban them, a now known banned substance. And yes Amphetamines are drugs, PEDs, that affet ones performance, giving the user enhanced focus, and alertness.





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