Stunning quote on altered cards

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It's not even specific to cards, I just wouldn't trust anyone who claims to be "100% certain" of anything.

I'm 100% certain Britney Spears won't show up at my house tonight for dinner.

[Peter_Spaeth]

When I started this thread I was fairly certain it would not end up mentioning Brittney Spears, but you never know, do you?

[G1911]

I collect the card, and not the holder (I collect low grade cards and snap the slabs 100% of the time, unless the card is remaining in my trade bait box), but I think we all have altered cards. It's hard to have a lot of cards and not end up with a significant number of altered cards, altering has been common for decades. I have many I know are trimmed, recolored etc., but I'm positive I have many more I don't realize are altered. However, I personally don't really care, and remain confident I am correctly identifying that they are original authentic cards, if not able to detect all microtrimming or other alterations (I really don't check carefully for it, because I don't care much). My cards have round corners, creases, bites, holes, missing pieces, tape stains, trimming, recoloring, probably rebuilt corners and a whole lot more. None of that ruins them for me, my card isn't mint, if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage.

If/when it gets to the point where I am no longer positive I am correctly identifying an authentic card, that's where I have a problem.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by G1911

I collect the card, and not the holder (I collect low grade cards and snap the slabs 100% of the time, unless the card is remaining in my trade bait box), but I think we all have altered cards. It's hard to have a lot of cards and not end up with a significant number of altered cards, altering has been common for decades. I have many I know are trimmed, recolored etc., but I'm positive I have many more I don't realize are altered. However, I personally don't really care, and remain confident I am correctly identifying that they are original authentic cards, if not able to detect all microtrimming or other alterations (I really don't check carefully for it, because I don't care much). My cards have round corners, creases, bites, holes, missing pieces, tape stains, trimming, recoloring, probably rebuilt corners and a whole lot more. None of that ruins them for me, my card isn't mint, if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage.

If/when it gets to the point where I am no longer positive I am correctly identifying an authentic card, that's where I have a problem.

I don’t look at micro trimming as you say just another type of damage. I look at it as a Alteration.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I don’t look at micro trimming as you say just another type of damage. I look at it as a Alteration.

I agree it's an alteration. It's also a kind of damage.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I agree it's an alteration. It's also a kind of damage.

I suppose, but John and I are of a generation of collectors to whom alteration is horrifying so it's of a different quality.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suppose, but John and I are of a generation of collectors to whom alteration is horrifying so it's of a different quality.

I didn't know younger generations were more okay with it. I referred to it as both alteration and damage in #44, I'm surprised if that's a controversial claim.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by G1911

...if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage...

The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Eric72

The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer.

See #50.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by G1911

See #50.

I've read the entire thread. We have a difference of opinion.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I've read the entire thread. We have a difference of opinion.

That may be, but absolutely nowhere am I saying that altering is not "The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer." I've said it explicitly multiple times.