Help and thoughts on a pick up

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I don't like either of the Groves and the Ott is also suspect in my opinion. Wait for others to chime in for more input.

Was this a major auction house that sold the lot?

No kidding I had to wait on a new scanner, mine kicked the bucket that day lol....

Any who.... to answer your question, no sir, it was not a major auction house. It was an online estate auction.
Picked up other items such as this at that same auction (new scan)

[Duluth Eskimo]

It is my opinion that the Ott is a forgery. The Grove’s look terrible, but he had some ugly looking autos late in life. Not sure on those. The rest look good.

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

It is my opinion that the Ott is a forgery. The Grove’s look terrible, but he had some ugly looking autos late in life. Not sure on those. The rest look good.

I noticed that some of his (Grove's) certified auto's look similar to mine but I gotta admit, when I received them I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

Now the Ott on the other hand, I'm curious, what makes you believe it's a forgery? I ask b/c there's been 1 or 2 yay's and 1 or 2 ney's on the Ott.

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that (I can post pics if that helps). I ask all these questions b/c I don't want to waste ton of money to have those possibly certified. I have family near Tampa florida and there is a baseball card show in August that Im thinking about booking a flight to b/c its gonna have reps from JSA attending (I believe).

Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!!!

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

That one does look extra odd IMO. It looks like a Lufly Groe signature You can even see a little hesitation when the person that did that one was deciding to go with Groe or Grove. The "y" doesn't swing back and cross the "t" either, just a bunch off with that one.

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

That one does look extra odd IMO. It looks like a Lufly Groe signature You can even see a little hesitation when the person that did that one was deciding to go with Groe or Grove. The "y" doesn't swing back and cross the "t" either, just a bunch off with that one.

agreed but ce la vie (plus wallet damage was minimal b/c each one was a different "lot" so at least I got that going for me which is good..... lol )

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Here's the Ott under the black light.

The piece of paper that's signed almost looks like old construction paper from when some of us were kids lol. The bottom right corner of the signed portion is missing, like it was cut out of something???

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I noticed that some of his (Grove's) certified auto's look similar to mine but I gotta admit, when I received them I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

Now the Ott on the other hand, I'm curious, what makes you believe it's a forgery? I ask b/c there's been 1 or 2 yay's and 1 or 2 ney's on the Ott.

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that (I can post pics if that helps). I ask all these questions b/c I don't want to waste ton of money to have those possibly certified. I have family near Tampa florida and there is a baseball card show in August that Im thinking about booking a flight to b/c its gonna have reps from JSA attending (I believe).

Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!!!

Doesn’t matter to me what anyone else says. That is my opinion. I think the size is off as is the flow. Ott has a distinct quick signature.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that

What do you mean "looks good under that"? What did you expect the UV light to do?

[Lordstan]

If you are going to keep this stuff, then none of it is worth the fees to cert, regardless if it's good or bad. It's certainly is not worth a plane flight anywhere.

IMO, the only value to certing is resale purposes. Often times(not always mind you) you can sell items for more, and often more quickly, if they come with a cert. Now you have to weight how much more you would get for certed item vs the cost of the cert. What I mean is that an item that will sell for $20 more certed vs non is not worth spending $20 to cert.
I know lots of people love getting things certed and slabbed. Good for them. It's their money to spend how they wish. For myself, I would rather keep the money from certing and spend it on more items. When I die, my wife will ship all my stuff to an auction house that can deal with decision regarding which items to cert and can send my family a check when it's sold.

[David Atkatz]

One obvious problem with the two Groves is that they weren't done by the same person.

[David Atkatz]

And, Mike... There's no such thing as a "certified" autograph. All PSA and JSA do is express an opinion, which, when push comes to shove, they will not stand behind. (Nor do they have to. The fine print legally indemnifies them against all damages incurred by the individual who naively believed the self-proclaimed experts.)

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And, Mike... There's no such thing as a "certified" autograph. All PSA and JSA do is express an opinion, which, when push comes to shove, they will not stand behind. (Nor do they have to. The fine print legally indemnifies them against all damages incurred by the individual who naively believed the self-proclaimed experts.)

Oh sure, I certainly understand that, this is strictly one of those "piece of mind" things for me personally.

And as most things in life, it comes back around to money..............The Ott alone set me back $8 whole dollars (no joking)