Let's talk about "over-looked" true Rookie cards....Pre-war and early Post-war

the-illini · #1 06-24-2021, 03:49 PM

A couple of underappreciated (IMO) and really tough to find rookie cards

h2oya311 · #2 06-24-2021, 03:59 PM

Adam and Chris! Those are simply outstanding!!!! Love that '47 Sports Exchange Mini Sheet w/ Spahn and, of course, the absolutely impossible '46 Sears PC of Musial. I don't have either of those. I'll have to settle for these for now:

1946-49 W603 Sports Exchange

Notice that the '46-47 Propagandas Montiel uses the same image as the '43 M114 Baseball Magazine Premium (just tilted a little).

Here's another Musial you don't see too often - 1946-49 W603 Sports Exchange:

MikeGarcia · #3 06-24-2021, 09:31 PM

..a lot of nostalgia with this roster....Joe Garagiola with hair...and who can forget "Slats Marion"....

...Eureka Sportstamps Issue in 1948

..

shagrotn77 · #4 06-24-2021, 09:58 PM

Now "1975" SSPC cards were actually issued in 1976? Ay caramba. It's tough keeping up with all of these updated dates of issue. Why are so many still being corrected after so many years?

Baseball Rarities · #5 06-24-2021, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Now "1975" SSPC cards were actually issued in 1976? Ay caramba. It's tough keeping up with all of these updated dates of issue. Why are so many still being corrected after so many years?

The SSPC set was definitely issued in 1976. Here is a pretty good blog post about it.

http://1975baseballcards.com/card-spotlight-1976-sspc/

Lots of sets have been assigned erroneous dates over the years. I imagine that when the hobby pioneers were researching hundreds of sets that they guesstimated the years for many based on a cursory look at the players. The subsequent guides, publications, grading companies, etc., copied that misinformation and most of it was not corrected until collectors did more thorough research on a particular set.

Exhibitman · #6 06-25-2021, 12:55 AM

1946 Sports Exchange Trading Post Musial issued 4/1/46. The precursor series to the W602 and W603 series.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...w602-and-w603/

shagrotn77 · #7 06-25-2021, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

The SSPC set was definitely issued in 1976. Here is a pretty good blog post about it.

http://1975baseballcards.com/card-spotlight-1976-sspc/

Lots of sets have been assigned erroneous dates over the years. I imagine that when the hobby pioneers were researching hundreds of sets that they guesstimated the years for many based on a cursory look at the players. The subsequent guides, publications, grading companies, etc., copied that misinformation and most of it was not corrected until collectors did more thorough research on a particular set.

Thanks, Kevin. It�s easier to understand for the older issues, but I would have thought that the date for something more recent like SSPC would have been nailed down from the start. Oh well. Thanks for the info.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 06-25-2021, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Thanks, Kevin. It�s easier to understand for the older issues, but I would have thought that the date for something more recent like SSPC would have been nailed down from the start. Oh well. Thanks for the info.

It's really inexplicable with something so recent. Leaf too, really. If you really want to see misdating sometime, look at Hollywood and music cards and PSA dating. Truly awful. Elvis cards labeled 1950 when he was 12 or 13. Sets issued over four albums across eight years all designated 1969, creating the artificial appearance of first cards for some performers. The great thing about PSA is they just ignore the very knowledgeable people who communicate these errors.

Baseball Rarities · #9 06-25-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Thanks, Kevin. It�s easier to understand for the older issues, but I would have thought that the date for something more recent like SSPC would have been nailed down from the start. Oh well. Thanks for the info.

Totally agree. I understand how so many errors occurred in the vintage sets, but the more modern ones not so much.

G1911 · #10 06-25-2021, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Now "1975" SSPC cards were actually issued in 1976? Ay caramba. It's tough keeping up with all of these updated dates of issue. Why are so many still being corrected after so many years?

This is how I feel, many of the dates "updated" in recent years are fairly obvious. Boudreau's "1948" Leaf card, Clarkson's "1887" A&G, SSPC's that were even marketed as a 1976 issue by the company. The catalog's and websites are unfortunately replete with assumptions, half-truths, questionable narratives labelled as fact, and untruth's amidst actual facts. It gets even worse when one ventures outside of the big sports

tedzan · #11 06-25-2021, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

This is how I feel, many of the dates "updated" in recent years are fairly obvious. Boudreau's "1948" Leaf card, Clarkson's "1887" A&G, SSPC's that were even marketed as a 1976 issue by the company. The catalog's and websites are unfortunately replete with assumptions, half-truths, questionable narratives labelled as fact, and untruth's amidst actual facts. It gets even worse when one ventures outside of the big sports

G1911

"Most valuable player in 1948" was awarded to Lou in December 1948. This LEAF set was definitely issued in the Spring of 1949.

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Incidentally, Boudreau is featured in the 1947 BOND BREAD.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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G1911 · #12 06-25-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

G1911

"Most valuable player in 1948" was awarded to Lou in December 1948. This LEAF set was definitely issued in the Spring of 1949.

Incidentally, Boudreau is featured in the 1947 BOND BREAD.

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

That�s exactly my point

JLange · #13 06-25-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

This is how I feel, many of the dates "updated" in recent years are fairly obvious. Boudreau's "1948" Leaf card, Clarkson's "1887" A&G, SSPC's that were even marketed as a 1976 issue by the company. The catalog's and websites are unfortunately replete with assumptions, half-truths, questionable narratives labelled as fact, and untruth's amidst actual facts. It gets even worse when one ventures outside of the big sports

So much for 1936 World Wide Gum being a 1936 issue...

Does this mean the WWG Joe DiMaggio is now a 2nd year card?

D. Bergin · #14 06-25-2021, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JLange

So much for 1936 World Wide Gum being a 1936 issue...

Does this mean the WWG Joe DiMaggio is now a 2nd year card?

Strange wording on that card. Says he was runner up to Buddy Myer for the batting title "last year", which would have been 1935, and then jumps to mention of the trade in early 1937.

G1911 · #15 06-25-2021, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JLange

So much for 1936 World Wide Gum being a 1936 issue...

Does this mean the WWG Joe DiMaggio is now a 2nd year card?

This is another great example. It�s a 1937 set, I don�t know why every publication and grader continues to insist it�s a 1936 issued set.

h2oya311 · #16 06-24-2021, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..a lot of nostalgia with this roster....Joe Garagiola with hair...and who can forget "Slats Marion"....

...Eureka Sportstamps Issue in 1948

..

I think the Eureka Sportstamps were issued in 1949. If you have evidence to the contrary, I�d love to hear about it! That would be, as my 8-yr old son says, epic.

benge610 · #17 06-26-2021, 03:37 PM

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benge610 · #18 06-26-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..a lot of nostalgia with this roster....Joe Garagiola with hair...and who can forget "Slats Marion"....

...Eureka Sportstamps Issue in 1948

..

Don't forget Emil Verban!
(Game winning/Series winning hit of game 6; 1944 "St. Louis" World Series!)
I am giving this to his son; Dr. Emil Verban, Jr. - DDS; next time I stop by Bloomington, IL, where he still practices.

To Derek's point; even PSA gives the nod to '49.

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