Let's talk about "over-looked" true Rookie cards....Pre-war and early Post-war

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But how many ancillary sets even included first year cards? I don't know some of the sets that well but none in 64 Giants, or 64 Standups, or 65 embossed, or 68 Topps Game, or in the coin sets I can think of, for example.

Didn't go looking at all the years, but remember Reggie's '69 Topps card is his rookie card. He was also in the '69 Topps Decals set, the '69 Topps Super set, and also included on the '69 Topps Team Poster of the Oakland A's. None of his items in those three ancillary sets ever get denoted as rookie cards or items. It will be the same for any other rookie in any other year I believe.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobC

Didn't go looking at all the years, but remember Reggie's '69 Topps card is his rookie card. He was also in the '69 Topps Decals set, the '69 Topps Super set, and also included on the '69 Topps Team Poster of the Oakland A's. None of his items in those three ancillary sets ever get denoted as rookie cards or items. It will be the same for any other rookie in any other year I believe.

Not baseball, but the other one that immediately springs to mind is O.J. Simpson's Super Glossy and Topps Super cards in 1970, alongside his regular issue "RC". Sellers seem to consider them RC's, buyer's not so much

[BobC]

Originally Posted by G1911

Not baseball, but the other one that immediately springs to mind is O.J. Simpson's Super Glossy and Topps Super cards in 1970, alongside his regular issue "RC". Sellers seem to consider them RC's, buyer's not so much

Absolutely right. And of course the sellers want to claim those others as rookies, so they can mark them up and charge even more .

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Didn't go looking at all the years, but remember Reggie's '69 Topps card is his rookie card. He was also in the '69 Topps Decals set, the '69 Topps Super set, and also included on the '69 Topps Team Poster of the Oakland A's. None of his items in those three ancillary sets ever get denoted as rookie cards or items. It will be the same for any other rookie in any other year I believe.

Right. Of course if the JD McCarthy postcard is actually 1968, and the uniform would suggest that, then what?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right. Of course if the JD McCarthy postcard is actually 1968, and the uniform would suggest that, then what?

Don't disagree with your point at all. I'm still saying though that the baby boomers who fueled the initial surge in card collecting popularity and prices back in the 80's were most familiar with Bowman and Topps sets that came out when they first started collecting. So no surprise then when Becket first comes out and primarily bases the concept and definition of what is a rookie card on those early Topps and Bowman sets. That subconcious bias is a main reason why lots of people still make certain claims, like Ruth's rookie cards are his '33 Goudeys, which is his 20th season of playing major league ball. Makes no common sense at all.