Hey, pennant guys

[Dc1917]

Hello, all. I'm a new joiner and have loved reading through all the posts - highly informative!

I picked up the attached ND pennant this past weekend - believed to be from their first Championship in 1924.

Two questions:
1) Has anyone seen any other examples of this pennant or other 1924 ND championship pennants?

2) Any way to confirm 1924 on this one (i.e., rule out 1929/1930 championships)? Pennant is from Chicago Pennant Co at 41" long (w/out tassels) and 14" wide.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Dc1917

Hello, all. I'm a new joiner and have loved reading through all the posts - highly informative!

I picked up the attached ND pennant this past weekend - believed to be from their first Championship in 1924.

Two questions:
1) Has anyone seen any other examples of this pennant or other 1924 ND championship pennants?

2) Any way to confirm 1924 on this one (i.e., rule out 1929/1930 championships)? Pennant is from Chicago Pennant Co at 41" long (w/out tassels) and 14" wide.

Great pennant! It’s the real deal but I couldn’t date it for you.

Domer may be able to help. He’s well versed in all the makers and a ND guy, as well.

[bocca001]

Great pennant. I'm not an expert on the topic, but I wonder when teams started using the term "National Champions"? Did they use it as early as 1924? They might have.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Dc1917

Hello, all. I'm a new joiner and have loved reading through all the posts - highly informative!

I picked up the attached ND pennant this past weekend - believed to be from their first Championship in 1924.

Two questions:
1) Has anyone seen any other examples of this pennant or other 1924 ND championship pennants?

2) Any way to confirm 1924 on this one (i.e., rule out 1929/1930 championships)? Pennant is from Chicago Pennant Co at 41" long (w/out tassels) and 14" wide.

Dc1917: HO-LY-SHeeeeeeeeeeet!

Never seen that pennant before. And, yes, I believe there's good evidence this was made to commemorate the '24 team--not the '29 or '30 National Championship winning teams ... or the '43, '46, '47 or '49 teams; or the '66, '73, or '77 champs. Or the '88 team. Definitely not any of these teams.

Lots of championships = lots of confusion. That's the problem with winning all the time, right?

Seriously, it's from 1924. We know because the label used (label #6, on my BLOG) was only in use for a limited window: roughly 1924-27. Chipen'co switched to a whole new label at the end of the 1920s, so we can say with confidence this isn't from that era. See: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...ago-pennant-co

I wondered when the term "National Champions" first came into vogue; and whether it was commonly in use by the mid-1920s. It was! In fact, there's one other Notre Dame pennant, that I know of, that features the term and the year 1924 on it. I've never actually seen it, so who knows if any exist today, but I do believe it was made. You can read all about it, and my attempt to reproduce it, here: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...ago-pennant-co

Thanks for sharing, and welcome to the thread!

[Dc1917]

Awesome, appreciate the info! And Domer, your blog is phenomenal - astonishing how much knowledge is captured there. Thanks for sharing.

I have a relatively extensive collection of ND pennants and a few miscellaneous. Nothing as noteworthy as my "newer" one, but I'll aim to share some other photos in the coming days.

[perezfan]

Congrats on snagging the ND Pennant. It's definitely from 1924. Great score!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Domer05

...there's one other Notre Dame pennant, that I know of, that features the term and the year 1924 on it. I've never actually seen it, so who knows if any exist today, but I do believe it was made. You can read all about it, and my attempt to reproduce it, here...

Sorry. I put the wrong URL. Try here: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...e-pennant-1925

[MK]

Originally Posted by Dc1917

Hello, all. I'm a new joiner and have loved reading through all the posts - highly informative!

I picked up the attached ND pennant this past weekend - believed to be from their first Championship in 1924.

Two questions:
1) Has anyone seen any other examples of this pennant or other 1924 ND championship pennants?

2) Any way to confirm 1924 on this one (i.e., rule out 1929/1930 championships)? Pennant is from Chicago Pennant Co at 41" long (w/out tassels) and 14" wide.

Congratulations on this incredible find. Truly a gem. Just my opinion, but if it were me, I would definitely have this professionally framed. It is certainly deserving. If you do, make sure and take a photo of the tag on the back as a reminder.

[murphusa]

Great selection of pennants in the Hunt auctions all star auction

[Dc1917]

As promised, attaching photos of other ND pennants from the '20s to maybe early '50s. Very slow buildup on the framing, but I'll get there eventually . The first two pictured are likely next in line alongside the '24 championship one.

I'm thinking of getting the Fighting Irish one restored, but would welcome thoughts on if that's worth the effort. Pennant is from Green Mountain Studios - missing its 3rd set of tassels and has extensive moth damage in areas, but it exists!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Dc1917

As promised, attaching photos of other ND pennants from the '20s to maybe early '50s. Very slow buildup on the framing, but I'll get there eventually . The first two pictured are likely next in line alongside the '24 championship one.

I'm thinking of getting the Fighting Irish one restored, but would welcome thoughts on if that's worth the effort. Pennant is from Green Mountain Studios - missing its 3rd set of tassels and has extensive moth damage in areas, but it exists!

That's an amazing collection of ND pennants. WOW!

[UKCardGuy]

A few recent pick ups arrived today. Nothing super rare but I was looking for the Killebrew pennant and found it in an unlikely online auction from Canada.

Catalog References:

• MWBW004-TBC
• NYMT022-TBC
• LADG008-ADFL
• MNTW003-TBC

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

A few recent pick ups arrived today. Nothing super rare but I was looking for the Killebrew pennant and found it in an unlikely online auction from Canada.

Catalog References:

• MWBW004-TBC
• NYMT022-TBC
• LADG008-ADFL
• MNTW003-TBC

Maybe not super rare, but super cool!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Those ND early pennants are off the charts as is the national champs one.

That Killebrew pennant is nice and tougher than the different photo versions you see around more. DWR is the expert on the Twins photo pennants

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Dc1917

As promised, attaching photos of other ND pennants from the '20s to maybe early '50s. Very slow buildup on the framing, but I'll get there eventually . The first two pictured are likely next in line alongside the '24 championship one.

I'm thinking of getting the Fighting Irish one restored, but would welcome thoughts on if that's worth the effort. Pennant is from Green Mountain Studios - missing its 3rd set of tassels and has extensive moth damage in areas, but it exists!

Those are some great pennants! The first two are off the charts!

You know, in the 107 pages and 5300 posts to this thread, I don’t know if we’ve ever discussed professional restoration. I ‘ve done my share of amateur restoration but would have a clue how to handle the moth damage to the Fighting Irish. Do you know of a person who does that kind of work?

I’m interested to see what others have to say about restoration. My guess is the opinion will be “go for it if you intent to keep it; you must disclose it if you ever sell.” Personally, I'd love to see if something could be done.

We’re all on a first name basis....what’s yours?

[ooo-ribay]

P.S. is there a tag for Green Mountain Studios?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Those are some great pennants! The first two are off the charts!

You know, in the 107 pages and 5300 posts to this thread, I don’t know if we’ve ever discussed professional restoration. I ‘ve done my share of amateur restoration but would have a clue how to handle the moth damage to the Fighting Irish. Do you know of a person who does that kind of work?

I’m interested to see what others have to say about restoration. My guess is the opinion will be “go for it if you intent to keep it; you must disclose it if you ever sell.” Personally, I'd love to see if something could be done.

We’re all on a first name basis....what’s yours?

I can't imagine that would be cheap, so it would have to be reserved for very special pennants. And who wants to risk messing with those? In 25+ years of collecting, I've never see a pennant that was described as professionally restored...so it's either not a thing or not worth the money. Maybe others have?

[ooo-ribay]

On closer inspection, it seems the only really bad portions are lower left and upper right. You could do what I’ve done….cut out little felt patches and tape them from the back.

[ChiefBeef]

Repost to see if anyone can answer. I have seen this pennant in several threads and online resources. It is not listed in Mike Enger's book (2013 version) in this red field color. It is shown in his book with the field of the pennant grayy.

Any info would be appreciated. I attached the picture again of mine.

Thanks for the consideration.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ChiefBeef

Repost to see if anyone can answer. I have seen this pennant in several threads and online resources. It is not listed in Mike Enger's book (2013 version) in this red field color. It is shown in his book with the field of the pennant grayy.

Any info would be appreciated. I attached the picture again of mine.

Thanks for the consideration.

Cool pennant. These tend to fade easy. This is from a pennant company we haven’t identified as of yet. I personally think it’s a NY area company. This style appears to have been made for the WS between 1954-57. The spine material is unique to this maker.

[ooo-ribay]

Also, Randy, I think Egner was just showing different designs; not necessarily color variations. Your red probably has the same “value” as a gray example.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Also, Randy, I think Egner was just showing different designs; not necessarily color variations. Your red probably has the same “value” as a gray example.

Is there a color version of Egner's book? Mine is black and white. How can you tell what color his pictures are?

[Fballguy]

Just found out about the existence of this pennant yesterday. Unfortunately it doesn't exist in my collection. Apparently, it comes up for sale with Halley's Comet like frequency. There are actually a few different ones with this theme. I love that it was deemed innocent in the 1950s but would never fly today (due to white outrage most likely, not Chinese).

Are there any similarly politically incorrect baseball pennants aside from the relatively tame and ubiquitous big nose Chief Wahoo and scalp waving Milwaukee Brave? Had never seen my Crackers pennant before, but not sure if that was politically incorrect as there aren't definitive origins of that name.

"Chinese Bandits" was the nickname for LSU's back up defensive unit in the late 1950s...known for their tenacity and toughness. Fairly certain, those qualities would be offensive today.

[Darner]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Is there a color version of Egner's book? Mine is black and white. How can you tell what color his pictures are?

The digital/Kindle version is in color.

[ChiefBeef]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay View Post
Also, Randy, I think Egner was just showing different designs; not necessarily color variations. Your red probably has the same “value” as a gray example.

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Is there a color version of Egner's book? Mine is black and white. How can you tell what color his pictures are?

Someone suggested there was a Kindle Version, and sure enough there is with color. My original thoughts came from the print version which is not in color. My thoughts on color came from internet searches. I have attached three versions here. One is from eBay and it was described as green and gold. The one that looks gray turns out to be a bad picture of a green one, BUT, the logos match.

Also, to be fully correct with my interpretations, the pennants depicted in Enger's book do not match up with the logos. The left side is different, and looks to be brown.

I got the one I have with the maroon background from Wheatland AH so I am sure it is most likely legit. I will try to follow up and see if I can get any further history from them.