T206 Black vs Brown Lenox

[Pat R]

The brown Lenox aren't like the brown Old Mills they vary a lot. There are
several different shades from a brown similar to the Old Mills to a dark brown that has a purplish shade.

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The Crawford is the darker brown that's harder to tell here it is between two black Lenox from the same auction

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If you had it in hand and put it next to a black it would stand out more than it does in a scan.

I adjusted the saturation so it shows the difference better this is the same image as above.

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[Maculay1979]

That saturation definitely seems to indicate brown. Would saturation make a faded black look brown?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Maculay1979

That saturation definitely seems to indicate brown. Would saturation make a faded black look brown?

No here's the Crawford in question on the left next to a another black Lenox
that's pretty worn.

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[Rhotchkiss]

Not that this has much to do with the discussion at hand, but there are some serious oddities surrounding both cards. The fact that one is in a BVG flip, is suspect enough, but the fact this BVG card came from the David Hall collection, which means it by all right should have been in a psa flip, makes it much more suspect. Plus, the BVG flip does not mention brown, only heritage does. The Crawford I bought, which is clearly brown, resides in a mislabeled PSA flip that Hall could easily have had fixed. Also, Hall was putting together a master set, not hoarding same front/back combos. Did he really think the psa was black and the BVG brown (even though it does not say brown). Just seems odd he would have two browns, and the psa one is undoubtedly brown.

As an aside, I own a Yellow Chance portrait Carolina Brights in an SGC flip that Hall used to own, and I thought it very odd that it remaining in an SGC holder. But I am less suspect about SGC doing it’s job and the card is clearly a Carlin’s brights, not a questionable color variation…

[MVSNYC]

FWIW, that Chase w/ Trophy looks like a Black Lenox to me, even though it's labeled Brown. I suppose in hand is a different story.