Personal Pre-War Set and Collector Survey

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Ricky

The stories and collections shared here are outstanding. Great idea for a thread, Bob.

Jeff, if you save your Word doc as a pdf, you may be able to attach.

Good thought! But pdf file size is too big to upload on Net54 as well. I put it in Google Docs for anyone who wants to view / download it

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1geZ...ew?usp=sharing

jeff

[Ricky]

Very cool, Jeff!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Good thought! But pdf file size is too big to upload on Net54 as well. I put it in Google Docs for anyone who wants to view / download it

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1geZ...ew?usp=sharing

jeff

Jeff,

Great list and info, and some really obscure names on there. That must have taken some real detective work and time to put together. Do have a question for you though, why isn't Earle "Greasy" Neale also on the list? Played in eight seasons with the Reds from 1916 to 1924 (plus 22 games with the Phillies in 1921), and pro football with the Canton Bulldogs in 1917 (alongside Jim Thorpe), the Dayton Triangles in 1918 (and was also their coach), and finally with the Massilon Tigers in 1919?

At first I thought maybe it was because he only played on some pre-NFL teams so you didn't count that. Then I noticed your list also included Ed Abbaticchio whose football playing days ended in 1900, so I ifigured that wasn't it. I seem to remember hearing somewhere that he may have been playing pro football under an assumed name because of amatuer rules that existed back then, and wondered if that may have something to do with it. Have to believe that if you do add him on to your list that he'd end up having more baseball cards than anyone else on it. Curious to find out why he's missing.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by BobC

Yy

Jeff,

Great list and info, and some really obscure names on there. That must have taken some real detective work and time to put together. Do have a question for you though, why isn't Earle "Greasy" Neale also on the list? Played in eight seasons with the Reds from 1916 to 1924 (plus 22 games with the Phillies in 1921), and pro football with the Canton Bulldogs in 1917 (alongside Jim Thorpe), the Dayton Triangles in 1918 (and was also their coach), and finally with the Massilon Tigers in 1919?

At first I thought maybe it was because he only played on some pre-NFL teams so you didn't count that. Then I noticed your list also included Ed Abbaticchio whose football playing days ended in 1900, so I ifigured that wasn't it. I seem to remember hearing somewhere that he may have been playing pro football under an assumed name because of amatuer rules that existed back then, and wondered if that may have something to do with it. Have to believe that if you do add him on to your list that he'd end up having more baseball cards than anyone else on it. Curious to find out why he's missing.

None of those things. I was reformating my list and it was a cut and paste error! Itshould be fixed now. Thank you for noticing that.

Can't leave Greasy Neale off the list as he is one of my favorite pre-NFL pros. Here are the cards I have of him so far.







Also this great basketball image of him from a composite team item I have from his college days.



jeff

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

None of those things. I was reformating my list and it was a cut and paste error! Itshould be fixed now. Thank you for noticing that.

Can't leave Greasy Neale off the list as he is one of my favorite pre-NFL pros. Here are the cards I have of him so far.







Also this great basketball image of him from a composite team item I have from his college days.



jeff

Now that makes sense. LOL Couldn't believe you didn't have him on there as he's the only HOFer on there besides Halas and Thorpe.

Nice cards by the way. Believe there are a lot more with him out there.

[Ricky]

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[BobC]

Originally Posted by ricky

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[todeen]

Originally Posted by BobC

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You speculated about the Reds set w-711. I asked the Reds HOF, and they had no information, only speculation as well. Here is their reply.

"Thanks for contacting the Hall of Fame. I must confess that I had forgotten about or missed completely the article in the 1982 Reds Yearbook that associated the W-711 series with a local dairy. After reading it (or re-reading it), I set about trying to find some period resource that might confirm or explain the reference in the article. The Reds’ archive do not contain internal company documents that go back that far and, Unfortunately, after searching through the Cincinnati Enquirer from 1938 and 1939, and reviewing all of the editions of “News of the Reds” published during those years, I could find no reference to the card set at all. There were many ads for French Bauer products in the newspapers but nothing related to the Reds. As far as the “News of the Reds” is concerned, I found multiple references to cut out schedule calendars that were available at no charge to fans at the ballpark as well as ads for Reds window decals that were offered at no charge at the park but nothing about the card set (sponsored or otherwise).

While I certainly acknowledge the possibility that I may have missed something, if we assume for a moment that I did not, I find it difficult to believe that a sponsored promotion related to the cards would not have been advertised in some way. The Enquirer was not the only paper in Cincinnati at the time but it was the preeminent morning paper and its Reds coverage was extensive. And if the cards were distributed as giveaways at the ballpark, I find it strange that there would have been no reference to the program in the Reds’ internally-produced newsletter. I have always understood the card set to be something that was sold at the souvenir stands at the ballpark and was never particularly bothered by the fact that no box or envelope associated with the set has surfaced. My thinking here has long been that anything they might have been housed in was likely devoid of any kind of marks or design and was therefore likely to have been discarded. There is much speculation here, of course, but I cannot find anything to support the assertion made in the yearbook article and it seems likely to me that I would have as I think such an association would have been promoted, especially since there is no sponsor or company name on the cards themselves. If I happen to find anything that sheds more light on this set and its production/distribution, I will certainly pass it along."

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[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by BobC

Now that makes sense. LOL Couldn't believe you didn't have him on there as he's the only HOFer on there besides Halas and Thorpe.

Nice cards by the way. Believe there are a lot more with him out there.

Yes, there are many others for Neale. I've missed on a few at auction over the yeras. I put the ones I know about in the checklist but am sure there are more.

Cal Hubbard is the only person in both the Pro Football HOF and Baseball HOF but he is in the Baseball HOF as an umpire. I have his 1955 Bowman umpire card but haven't included him in my list since he didn't play major league baseball.

jeff

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Yes, there are many others for Neale. I've missed on a few at auction over the yeras. I put the ones I know about in the checklist but am sure there are more.

Cal Hubbard is the only person in both the Pro Football HOF and Baseball HOF but he is in the Baseball HOF as an umpire. I have his 1955 Bowman umpire card but haven't included him in my list since he didn't play major league baseball.

jeff

I forgot about that, but since you specifically mentioned players only, I wasn't thinking of him. Good stuff.