Help and thoughts on a pick up

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

zoom of the other left with the 2 reprint cards taped on it

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

card again (slightly zoomed out)

[rand1com]

I don't like either of the Groves and the Ott is also suspect in my opinion. Wait for others to chime in for more input.

Was this a major auction house that sold the lot?

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I don't like either of the Groves and the Ott is also suspect in my opinion. Wait for others to chime in for more input.

Was this a major auction house that sold the lot?

No kidding I had to wait on a new scanner, mine kicked the bucket that day lol....

Any who.... to answer your question, no sir, it was not a major auction house. It was an online estate auction.
Picked up other items such as this at that same auction (new scan)

[Duluth Eskimo]

It is my opinion that the Ott is a forgery. The Grove’s look terrible, but he had some ugly looking autos late in life. Not sure on those. The rest look good.

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

It is my opinion that the Ott is a forgery. The Grove’s look terrible, but he had some ugly looking autos late in life. Not sure on those. The rest look good.

I noticed that some of his (Grove's) certified auto's look similar to mine but I gotta admit, when I received them I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

Now the Ott on the other hand, I'm curious, what makes you believe it's a forgery? I ask b/c there's been 1 or 2 yay's and 1 or 2 ney's on the Ott.

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that (I can post pics if that helps). I ask all these questions b/c I don't want to waste ton of money to have those possibly certified. I have family near Tampa florida and there is a baseball card show in August that Im thinking about booking a flight to b/c its gonna have reps from JSA attending (I believe).

Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!!!

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

That one does look extra odd IMO. It looks like a Lufly Groe signature You can even see a little hesitation when the person that did that one was deciding to go with Groe or Grove. The "y" doesn't swing back and cross the "t" either, just a bunch off with that one.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I noticed that some of his (Grove's) certified auto's look similar to mine but I gotta admit, when I received them I was a bit skeptical, especially the art work one (in white).

Now the Ott on the other hand, I'm curious, what makes you believe it's a forgery? I ask b/c there's been 1 or 2 yay's and 1 or 2 ney's on the Ott.

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that (I can post pics if that helps). I ask all these questions b/c I don't want to waste ton of money to have those possibly certified. I have family near Tampa florida and there is a baseball card show in August that Im thinking about booking a flight to b/c its gonna have reps from JSA attending (I believe).

Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!!!

Doesn’t matter to me what anyone else says. That is my opinion. I think the size is off as is the flow. Ott has a distinct quick signature.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey

I bought a black light to put it under as well (little flashlight type device but high powered) looks good under that

What do you mean "looks good under that"? What did you expect the UV light to do?

[David Atkatz]

One obvious problem with the two Groves is that they weren't done by the same person.

[David Atkatz]

And, Mike... There's no such thing as a "certified" autograph. All PSA and JSA do is express an opinion, which, when push comes to shove, they will not stand behind. (Nor do they have to. The fine print legally indemnifies them against all damages incurred by the individual who naively believed the self-proclaimed experts.)

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And, Mike... There's no such thing as a "certified" autograph. All PSA and JSA do is express an opinion, which, when push comes to shove, they will not stand behind. (Nor do they have to. The fine print legally indemnifies them against all damages incurred by the individual who naively believed the self-proclaimed experts.)

Oh sure, I certainly understand that, this is strictly one of those "piece of mind" things for me personally.

And as most things in life, it comes back around to money..............The Ott alone set me back $8 whole dollars (no joking)