T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

Hi Val

I'm surprised that the population reports list that many T209-1 cards. Anyhow, the synonym for "scarce" is "rare".
So, I'll modify my comment to say "quite rare"

I completed this set 10 years ago. And like Ringo Starr once sang...."It Don't Come Easy".

At BB card shows you seldom see them (and this is so, even at the National).

After all these years, I recently upgraded my Hoffman card. I have a few more that need up-grading.

I'll leave you by asking you this: Have you tried putting together this set of 16 cards ?


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TED Z

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[ValKehl]

Ted, thanks for the enlightenment. I have long thought that rare meant scarcer than scarce.

No Ted, I have never tried to put together a T209-1 set, as I am not a set collector, with one exception, that being the 1925 Holland Creameries set of 18 cards.

[Bliggity]

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

Hi Dan

Very nice, thanks for displaying your set. I, too, am suspect of the pop report total of these cards. These T209-1 cards...."Don't Come Easy"....and, they don't come "CHEAP".
With respect to that latter comment....I suspect due to their high $$$$ value, many of these cards have been resubmitted, hoping for an increase in their $$$$ value.

Dan....do you also collect the T209-2 cards ?


TED Z

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[brianp-beme]

Here is my example from this set, Walsh, shown the day after a bar fight.

Brian (Not part of any TPG population report. My card probably spent a night in jail, whereas many of his brothers are doing 25 to life in their plastic prisons)

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years.

Here's the 7 different Booles that sold

2-26-21
Booles 2-26-21.jpg

1-17-21
Booles 1-7-21.jpg

5-12-20
Booles 5-12 20.jpg

12-8-19
Booles 12-8-19.jpg

10-5-19
Booles 10-5-19.jpg

8-11-19
Booles 8-11-19.jpg

6-25-19
Booles 6-25-19.jpg

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years.

Wow! That's very surprising to me. I take it all back, T209-1 is an easy set to finish I know back a few years ago they were very hard to find, and I believe there was at least one person on here who was just missing Booles to complete their set.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Dan....do you also collect the T209-2 cards ?

Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!

Hi Dan

Years ago, I had about 80 of of the T209-2 cards. But like you, I've always been a set collector, and at any given time I am in the process of completing several sets.
So, it did not appeal to me to continue collecting T209-2 cards. After considering that it would have been a very, very long journey.


TED Z

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[ccre]

Hey Dan,

As you know I have the complete 1st series. If you are obsessed with completion, T209-2 is not for you. I have focused on just the North Carolina teams for several years now. There are 114 total and I only have 55. I haven't been able to add even 1 new one for many months although I am actively looking. Quite frustrating!

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Wow! That's very surprising to me. I take it all back, T209-1 is an easy set to finish I know back a few years ago they were very hard to find, and I believe there was at least one person on here who was just missing Booles to complete their set.



Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!

[skil55voy]

I don't have very many but, when I sold my original collection in 1986 I saved the cigarette cards that I had:

[brianp-beme]

It is interesting that 3 of the Booles Pat showed as well as my Walsh all have paper damage in basically the same spot on the bottom right border (yes, my Walsh also has a ton of other damage).

Probably just a coincidence, but thought I would point it out anyway.

Brian

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ted, thanks for the enlightenment. I have long thought that rare meant scarcer than scarce.

No Ted, I have never tried to put together a T209-1 set, as I am not a set collector, with one exception, that being the 1925 Holland Creameries set of 18 cards.

Val......will I see you at the Philly Show this forthcoming weekend ?

It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty,
and we a nice deal on it.

You are really one of the great guys in this hobby.


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TED Z

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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Val......will I see you at the Philly Show this forthcoming weekend ?

It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty,
and we a nice deal on it.

You are really one of the great guys in this hobby.

Ted, thanks for the kind words.

I was planning to come to this weekend's Philly Show only if the National was either cancelled or held but with significant Covid-19 restrictions; it currently appears that there will be a normal or near-normal National this year. I may make it to one of the Philly Shows later this year.

Every time you have showed your T213-1 Coupon of Matty, I have recalled our trade and realized how delighted you were to obtain this card. And, truth be told, I have felt a bit of trader's remorse, despite being delighted with the T206 Sovereign 350 WaJo portrait I received from you. This is because I'm partial to very scarce/rare cards, and I really liked having the Matty as my T213-1 type card, but of course, one has to give up something good to get something good.

[Piratedogcardshows]

Amazing Contentneas everyone! I too highly recommend Mike and Tims research on the subject. Mikes website dedicated to the issue is so well done and a true wealth of knowledge. I recently started a Series 1 set and I'm 136 deep on the Series 2 set. I'm partial to the black and white issues but these cards have the most interesting images and backgrounds. I even have a theory Jim Thorpe is seen in the background of a card. Have to get home to verify the player on the card. Good stuff!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jason

Amazing Contentneas everyone! I too highly recommend Mike and Tims research on the subject. Mikes website dedicated to the issue is so well done and a true wealth of knowledge. I recently started a Series 1 set and I'm 136 deep on the Series 2 set. I'm partial to the black and white issues but these cards have the most interesting images and backgrounds. I even have a theory Jim Thorpe is seen in the background of a card. Have to get home to verify the player on the card. Good stuff!

Jason

I'd love to see the card with Jim Thorpe's image on it.

As you probably know, Thorpe played for Rocky Mount and Fayetteville during the Summers of 1910-11.

Supposedly, those two brief experiences in professional Baseball cost Jim his medals and trophies, which
he won in the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm. He was forced to return them.

Gee, it would have been really neat if they had included a card of Thorpe in this set.

Good Luck putting together the color set.


TED Z

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[Piratedogcardshows]

Ok here we go and this is just a theory. As mentioned Jim Thorpe played for Fayetteville in the 1910-1911 season. I believe that some cards depict images from preseason camps as a few players that have cards seem to never have played a game with the designated team. Background players on some cards seem to be waiting their turn to take infield practice. So that brings me to the Lavoia card from the Highlanders team. Notice the very stocky player in the background. He is awaiting his turn as possibly the backup first baseman. Of course I have zero proof of it actually being Jim Thorpe. Its just fun to think it is!