BST Terminology

[FrankWakefield]

please make room among the minority for me...

I want a card that I'm not afraid of touching. Good to Very Good... maybe up a bit. I can live with an occasional tiny pin hole, I don't want a trimmed card, I can live with a wrinkle or crease...

A term I don't understand is Off Back... Is that rare backs, tough backs, scarce backs, skinned backs, official backs... When did Off Back start appearing?

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

please make room among the minority for me...



I want a card that I'm not afraid of touching. Good to Very Good... maybe up a bit. I can live with an occasional tiny pin hole, I don't want a trimmed card, I can live with a wrinkle or crease...



A term I don't understand is Off Back... Is that rare backs, tough backs, scarce backs, skinned backs, official backs... When did Off Back start appearing?

Off back means any back "not Peidmont or Sweet Caporal." Not sure when it started being used but its certainly easier than saying the above.

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[jingram058]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

A term I don't understand is Off Back... Is that rare backs, tough backs, scarce backs, skinned backs, official backs... When did Off Back start appearing?

I am completely out of touch with pretty much all card collecting acronyms, abbreviations, and terminology.

What is a skinned back, technically?

What is EPDG?

[egri]

Originally Posted by jingram058

What is EPDG?

El Principe de Gales.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by jingram058

...What is a skinned back...

From what I understand, this refers to a genuine card front affixed to a non-original back.

[FrankWakefield]

The way I read that response it seemed backwards, to me.

A skinned back is where the card has been soaked to the point where the back can be pealed away from most of the card... someone could put that back on a fake front, or a legitimate front to sandwich together the pieces.

Alternatively, a skinned front would be a paper thin version of a card front, where the front was pealed away.

Back when these cards came out, they'd often get pasted into scrapbooks with oatmeal paste. Those cards would easily soak off of the scrapbook pages; and notwithstanding what folks get in a rage about when it comes to graded cards and card altering, these former scrapbook cards are a major source of tobacco cards with sharp corners and high grade numbers.

Back to those kids and scrapbooks... if the cards were glued in with something strong, the result would be where we see paper remnants or torn places on the backs. If the card was severely glued to a sturdy page, then the result of a removal attempt may well have been a paper-thin skinned card front...

[Exhibitman]

I am in that minority too. I wouldn't be chasing after (alleged) high grade old cards even if I had the budget for it. Something fishy about them.

I want to be the minority...
Stepped out of the line
Like a sheep runs from the herd
Marching out of time
To my own beat now the only way I know
--Green Day

And a card...

[G1911]

Technically correct. I'll buy a near mint card for poor prices, but this is not a reasonable expectation I have. "Low grade" clearly and quickly lets potential sellers know what I am looking for so they don't waste their time clicking it, sending a message, and then I counter-offer a raw fair price point for their PSA 7 of the card I'm looking for. I guess I could say "looking for any grade of card, but I am only willing to pay the going rate of a raw good card" but that's just word clutter that servers 0 practical purpose.

[brianp-beme]

Although I have never posted a "Looking to Buy" in the BST, if I did I would include a "low condition" request. Whenever I have sold cards, I like to call out my lesser beaters as low condition, because it reinforces that the card(s) are not slabbed by a stinkin' third party grader...they are just condition challenged, as all century or near century old cards aspire toward.

Brian

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

The way I read that response it seemed backwards, to me...

Sorry, I may have done a poor job explaining myself. Here a link to an SGC graded "skinned" card sold by Heritage Auctions in 2020:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...152003-43010.s

This is what Heritage and SGC have in mind when the term "skinned" is used.