Butterfinger and related sets of "cards"

[nolemmings]

"Too much hard work went into The ACC and Sports Collectors Bible and Beckett/ Eckes catalog SCD catalog to just take pot shots at their research."

What tripe.

Trey, thanks For screenshotting the 1960 ACC. I can only imagine the exhaustive research that went into that entry giving us such definitive info on R310. No mention of the year that R310 was issued or the number of subjects, but at least we know with a high degree of certainty that the pictures were issued with Baby Ruth. Case closed, but damn, I guess that makes the Butterfinger overprints all fantasy pieces or reprints of fantasy pieces.

Not that we need it now, but it will be nice when Jonathan posts the licensing agreement with Curtiss Candy so we can clear up a few loose ends. In the meantime, I will just hide in my shame for having ever questioned the 87 years of toil that was spent by the hobby forefathers on the R310 set, and the painstakingly thorough research they left for us on the subject.

[oldeboo]

Research indicates that The Chicago Tribune owned a ship that was built in 1930 and it was docked right outside the front door of Curtiss Candy/General Gum. At some point in time The Chicago Tribune used a newsprint source in Thorold, ON and possibly other locations along the Great Lakes as well. More dots would need to be connected to cement some dates, but there’s enough evidence to make this interesting.

Perhaps the printing and paper characteristics of R310 and V94 are similar to that of a newspaper?

Were either or both issues physically produced by The Chicago Tribune?

It's interesting if nothing else.

[oldeboo]

Additionally, one of the Curtiss owned production facilities looks to have been darn near connected to a Chicago Tribune facility. That alone doesn't prove anything, but again, it's interesting that the R310s were printed on thin paper and have images similar to what you would see in a newspaper. There could be some connection there, of course that would be hard to prove. It's interesting to think about though.

[Leon]

Nice discussion...
trimmed and framed

[nolemmings]

I was informed by a collector that General Gum Inc. issued a set of non-sport cards known in the hobby as "Trick Cards" that were also issued by O-Pee-Chee in the same era. They carry a R155 catalog designation, and the OPC are listed as V305. These have been dated to 1930 and circa 1933, depending on source. So the two companies had the same product released at least one other time.

The cards were issued with "Mystery Gum" here in the U.S. Here's what the cards looked like:

https://auctions.vintagenonsports.co..._-LOT3507.aspx

I could not see a street address on the wrapper--probably was none-- but a mailing envelope shows a different address from a little further north in Chicago, on Diversey Parkway. I do not see a connection with this address and Curtiss Candy, but I haven't yet looked for one.

[oldeboo]

Nice find, Todd. The V305 and R155 sets certainly seem to show a pattern.

I read online about a Curtiss Candy factory worker that brought home different types of candy that were produced for distribution outside of the United States, things most Americans would have never heard of. Curtiss Candy likely had a reach far beyond what is common knowledge.

As to the envelope that you mention, do you have a link or image? Here is where the Curtiss Candy General Offices were located...622 Diversey Parkway

[nolemmings]

I found this in a thread from the Net54 non-sports forum, where the poster said he won (and showed) a group of several Trick cards in a lot that included this mailer:



Looks like we have match. General office as opposed to the plants.