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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys,

American Lithographic printed 35 subjects in the 350/460 Series simultaneously with the red HINDU
and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 backs.

On a separate sheet American Litho printed 12 subjects from the 460-only Series with the red HINDU
and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 backs.





350/460 Series Checklist.…...35 subjects

Ames (hands over head) ..……………..*
Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Chance (portrait-yellow}
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)

Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Mathewson (dark cap) ....……………….*
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (batting)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Reulbach (no glove) ......………………..*
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fielding)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
CYoung (glove)

Note..... * These subjects have yet to be confirmed with the red HINDU back.

In recent years, Dougherty, Joss, and Murphy have been discovered with Red HINDU backs; therefore,
I fully expect Ames, Matty, and Reulbach will eventually be confirmed.

If anyone on this forum is willing to make a bet on this ? I will give them 2 to 1 odds that these 3 guys
will be discovered.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Guys,

Circa 2010 on Net54, I presented my theory regarding the "split-personality" of the T206 350/460 Series cards in their latter print runs (Winter 1910 to
Spring 1911). Group A comprising of 35 subjects. Group B comprising of 28 subjects. And, this theory has withstood the test of time.

In 2010......Ames, Dougherty, Mathewson, Murphy and Reulbach had NOT yet been confirmed with the red HINDU back. Back then, I predicted that these
5 guys would eventually be discovered with red HINDU backs. Subsequently, Dougherty and Murphy were discovered. The other 3 remain to be seen.

Here is a record of one of my predictions....that of Danny Murphy (batting) will be discovered with a red HINDU back......

Dated 4-19-2020






Look guys.....I try to inform, educate, or simply encourage thought regarding the complexities of the T206 set. I really appreciate all your
positive responses, phone calls, emails, etc. since 2005. But, there are one (or 2) on this forum that get their kicks playing the "negative"
game. And, I have tried (more or less) to play the tolerance game in dealing with their comments.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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It's funny how many times you use the negative game comment Ted. It's not a negative game I just find it a little offensive when you state your opinion
as fact. I'm not saying the three subjects you pointed out weren't printed with a Red Hindu but anyone who follows the t206 set closely knows there
are many inconsistences in the set and you can't assume anything.

Your Murphy prediction date should be 4-19-2010.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's funny how many times you use the negative game comment Ted. It's not a negative game I just find it a little offensive when you state your opinion
as fact. I'm not saying the three subjects you pointed out weren't printed with a Red Hindu but anyone who follows the t206 set closely knows there
are many inconsistences in the set and you can't assume anything.

Your Murphy prediction date should be 4-19-2010.

Pat

My research indicates that the printing of the various T206 series from the Summer of 1910 to the Spring of 1911 have very few "inconsistences".
In fact, there are definite logical patterns in the printing process during that period. These patterns are addressed in.... T206 Reference

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, that I typed the date "2020", instead of "2010" in my prior post. It has been corrected.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

My research indicates that the printing of the various T206 series from the Summer of 1910 to the Spring of 1911 have very few "inconsistences".
In fact, there are definite logical patterns in the printing process during that period. These patterns are addressed in.... T206 Reference

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, that I typed the date "2020", instead of "2010" in my prior post. It has been corrected.

TED Z
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I agree there are patterns in the printing during that time period just as there are patterns through out the set but there are still some inconsistences.
There may be fewer in the 350/460 and 460 only printings but one factor is that those two series only account for 1/5 of the set.



In the same thread you predicted the Murphy Red Hindu you also posted this

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Jeff L......et al

By my count, the blue Chase even beats out the Red Cobb with respect to the number of different backs.
The blue Chase has been confirmed with 22 different T206 backs.....it includes BROAD LEAF 350, LENOX,
and Red HINDU.
I expect that it will be found with a BROAD LEAF 460 back and a DRUM back.

Chase was NOT printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, nor UZIT.


The Red Cobb has been confirmed with 22 different T206 backs......it includes BROAD LEAF 460, DRUM,
and LENOX.
I do not expect it to be found with anymore T206 backs.

Cobb was NOT printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, nor Red HINDU, nor UZIT.


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

Speaking of T206 inconsistencies from 1909-11, there are many folks out there that believe the T213-1 Coupon's should be part of the T206 collection of various Tobacco backs. 1910, Tobacco back, exact same design as the rest of the T206 tobacco backs, with only 1 slight variation (sorta like an American Beauty which is cut narrower in width, only the Coupon is cut narrower in depth) Cough, cough.... I digress - Love these Uber rare rascals!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

Speaking of T206 inconsistencies from 1909-11, there are many folks out there that believe the T213-1 Coupon's should be part of the T206 collection of various Tobacco backs. 1910, Tobacco back, exact same design as the rest of the T206 tobacco backs, with only 1 slight variation (sorta like an American Beauty which is cut narrower in width, only the Coupon is cut narrower in depth) Cough, cough.... I digress - Love these Uber rare rascals!

Hi Jeremy

You and I (and some T206 collectors on this forum) agree that the 1910 COUPON cards should be included in the family of the T206 tobacco brands.

The ones who disagree with us are unaware that these cards were NOT meant to be "stiffiners" in cigarette packs. The initial offering of the COUPON
cigarettes was in rectangular cartons containing 200 (or more) loose cigarettes.....circa 1909 - 1910).
Many of the cards were inserted in these cartons, while others were pasted on the outside of the carton. Hence, the paper loss on the backs of some
of these cards (e.g. my Cobb).]

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Further proof of this is evident on my Doolan card which has cardboard residue on it from being pasted on a cigarette carton.

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Whatever, here is my nicest 1910 COUPON card. If I am lucky, the stupid TPG's will probably grade it only a "2" (or perhaps a "1.5").

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[DeanH3]

Wouldn't mind adding a T205 WaJo and Matty in the future.



T206's are just too addictive. lol!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

Speaking of T206 inconsistencies from 1909-11, there are many folks out there that believe the T213-1 Coupon's should be part of the T206 collection of various Tobacco backs. 1910, Tobacco back, exact same design as the rest of the T206 tobacco backs, with only 1 slight variation (sorta like an American Beauty which is cut narrower in width, only the Coupon is cut narrower in depth) Cough, cough.... I digress - Love these Uber rare rascals!

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Jeremy

You and I (and some T206 collectors on this forum) agree that the 1910 COUPON cards should be included in the family of the T206 tobacco brands.

The ones who disagree with us are unaware that these cards were NOT meant to be "stiffiners" in cigarette packs. The initial offering of the COUPON
cigarettes was in rectangular cartons containing 200 (or more) loose cigarettes.....circa 1909 - 1910).
Many of the cards were inserted in these cartons, while others were pasted on the outside of the carton. Hence, the paper loss on the backs of some
of these cards (e.g. my Cobb).]

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Further proof of this is evident on my Doolan card which has cardboard residue on it from being pasted on a cigarette carton.

.




Whatever, here is my nicest 1910 COUPON card. If I am lucky, the stupid TPG's will probably grade it only a "2" (or perhaps a "1.5").

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Here's something to consider concerning the T213's. The original American Lithograph journal that was discovered covers the years of 1909-1912.
In the journal it has instructions on what to insert in the cigarette packs and cartons. There are 45 brands in the journal including all the t206 brands
Coupon cigarettes isn't included in the 45 brands in the ALC journal.