Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Having read through this thread, I know that form time to time people mention creating a book out of this thread and other material.

Is that something of interest to people?

The only real book that I've been able to find is Mike Egner's Vintage Pennant Price Guide. That's great but I think there are opportunities to catalog the variations of each pennant, add details about the maker (where that's known), etc.

I also like the idea of having a catalog reference for each pennant type/variant.

There's so much great knowledge on Net54 but I can't help think it could be organized in some way.

I'd be happy to help with the layout/tech side and a propose some structure. But really it needs the experience of the contributors to this thread.

Thoughts?

I would love something like that. Paul Muchinsky’s pinback book is a treasure. Just let me know where to send color pics of every vintage Giants pennant I own!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I would love something like that. Paul Muchinsky’s pinback book is a treasure. Just let me know where to send color pics of every vintage Giants pennant I own!

Thanks Rob. I think the following are the key bits of information to include:

1. Catalog Reference Number
2. Picture
3. Team
4. Manufacturer
5. Primary Color
6. Spine Color
7. Tassels
8. Size
9. Year
10. Commentary
11. Value
12. Rarity

Have I missed anything?

I was contemplating a simple naming convention for the catalog reference.
Something like like "NYG001-AD".

• The 1st 3 letters represent the team
• The next 3 numbers are just a sequence number
• The final 2 letters represent the manufacturer (e.g. AD for AdFlag)

This isn't something I'm looking to do for commercial gain. I just wanted to create a catalog that we could all contribute to.

As for photos, I'm happy to use any existing photo galleries that people have that they'd be willing to use for the project. But if anyone is so inclined, photos of each pennant against a white background would be ideal.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks Rob. I think the following are the key bits of information to include:

1. Catalog Reference Number
2. Picture
3. Team
4. Manufacturer
5. Primary Color
6. Spine Color
7. Tassels
8. Size
9. Year
10. Commentary
11. Value
12. Rarity

Have I missed anything?

I was contemplating a simple naming convention for the catalog reference.
Something like like "NYG001-AD".

• The 1st 3 letters represent the team
• The next 3 numbers are just a sequence number
• The final 2 letters represent the manufacturer (e.g. AD for AdFlag)

This isn't something I'm looking to do for commercial gain. I just wanted to create a catalog that we could all contribute to.

As for photos, I'm happy to use any existing photo galleries that people have that they'd be willing to use for the project. But if anyone is so inclined, photos of each pennant against a white background would be ideal.

I was kind of being facetious, Gary. While I love the idea, I'm not sure others could possibly photo all their pennants. Mine are already in google photos, as I think are football Rob's, Greg's, Eric's and maybe others. You would be welcome to my photos but I'm not a "completist" as in I don’t need every primary and spine color. I hope you/we can get this project off the ground!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5w4MyAqWtyAqb8JU7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks Rob. I think the following are the key bits of information to include:

1. Catalog Reference Number
2. Picture
3. Team
4. Manufacturer
5. Primary Color
6. Spine Color
7. Tassels
8. Size
9. Year
10. Commentary
11. Value
12. Rarity

Have I missed anything?

I was contemplating a simple naming convention for the catalog reference.
Something like like "NYG001-AD".

• The 1st 3 letters represent the team
• The next 3 numbers are just a sequence number
• The final 2 letters represent the manufacturer (e.g. AD for AdFlag)

This isn't something I'm looking to do for commercial gain. I just wanted to create a catalog that we could all contribute to.

As for photos, I'm happy to use any existing photo galleries that people have that they'd be willing to use for the project. But if anyone is so inclined, photos of each pennant against a white background would be ideal.

Count me in, to whatever extent I can help.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks Rob. I think the following are the key bits of information to include:

1. Catalog Reference Number
2. Picture
3. Team
4. Manufacturer
5. Primary Color
6. Spine Color
7. Tassels
8. Size
9. Year
10. Commentary
11. Value
12. Rarity

Have I missed anything?

I was contemplating a simple naming convention for the catalog reference.
Something like like "NYG001-AD".

• The 1st 3 letters represent the team
• The next 3 numbers are just a sequence number
• The final 2 letters represent the manufacturer (e.g. AD for AdFlag)

This isn't something I'm looking to do for commercial gain. I just wanted to create a catalog that we could all contribute to.

As for photos, I'm happy to use any existing photo galleries that people have that they'd be willing to use for the project. But if anyone is so inclined, photos of each pennant against a white background would be ideal.

While I've wished something along these lines existed for years now (and I think it kind of does in a non-traditional sense, as this forum and the content shared within are encyclopedic), I think the effort to create and more importantly maintain would be monumental.

Also, including value would be a mistake in my opinion, except maybe in the most general of terms, because there really isn't an established book value for most of the pennants out there. How can you assign a value on a pennant that sells once every 5 or 10 years? Unless they're from the 70s or later and there are dozens for sale on eBay at any given time, it would be a guess more often than not. I think that's actually a disservice to the collector because it creates false perceptions. Not to mention realized prices are extremely volatile. So what's the point? I think rarity would be a better barometer of value....Maybe coming up with a rarity scale from 1 on to 10 and then let the market decide what the corresponding values are.

Good luck if you decide to do and I'm happy to help where I can.

[bocca001]

I'd love to see more pennants books. I'd especially like to see a book that attempts to organize pennants by maker/series (with lots of pictures, of course). And I'd love to see Kyle get all of his excellent research into a book.

[UKCardGuy]

Thanks guys. I'm working my way backward through this thread. I'm back to page 65 so far and I'm at 354 pennants.

I've created an Excel spreadsheet with the photos and other pieces of info for each pennant. That allows them to be sorted and filtered. I want to do a bit of tidying up and then I'll share the file to get feedback and input.

A document/book will leave more room for photos, background etc. But for now I just want to get the core catalog and information sorted.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks guys. I'm working my way backward through this thread. I'm back to page 65 so far and I'm at 354 pennants.

I've created an Excel spreadsheet with the photos and other pieces of info for each pennant. That allows them to be sorted and filtered. I want to do a bit of tidying up and then I'll share the file to get feedback and input.

A document/book will leave more room for photos, background etc. But for now I just want to get the core catalog and information sorted.

Awesome, Gary! I agree with FB Rob on value. Rarity can be quantified but value is so arbitrary. With vintage SF Giants pennants, the prices go down as my fellow Giants collectors find an example. Besides that, there’s alway the old saying “it’s “worth” whatever someone is willing to pay.”

Now I see why pics on a white background would be best (for Excel). I’m wondering if there is a photo editing tool to either crop to three points (not four) or white out outside of three points?

BTW - I have several pennant spreadsheets. In my one spreadsheet with photos, I have grouped them by “series.” My series are more about similar looks but those may inadvertently have divided them by makers as well.

[UKCardGuy]

Thanks. I accept the points about values. I'll remove that shortly. To be fair, I doubt that I could reliably assess values except if there was a recent sale.

I've shared an early version of the spreadsheet here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/138D...ew?usp=sharing

It's 150MB so you'll have to download it to have a look. I have 383 pennants cataloged so far including a photo of each.

• I've created a catalog reference for each pennant. This will allow us to speak about a specific pennant/variant without ambiguity.
• I've added a column for Theme. My intention is that is where we can group pennants that are part of a series (e.g. Giant on a Bridge or Champions Grommet)

I'd be grateful if people could come back to me with manufacturers. dates or rarity where you have that info. Feel free to post it here or send me a PM if you'd prefer.

If you have any commentary that you'd like to add, please feel free to let me know.