Turns out the dealers aren't the only ones gouging

[ezez420]

I don’t remember Friday ever being free.

In all due respect wanting to get in early with no cost and the same access to the dealers in the room is kind of a bit cheap. Lucky for you Ryan is a nice guy. One thing if your friend has a pass for you but “expecting” is nervy and cheap. Just like your comment of promoter “gouging”.


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[Michael B]

Many shows charge a high fee for early admission. Not just card shows, but others I have attended - antique shows, book fairs etc. I would suggest that the 'super duper double secret we supply you with two condoms and a beer pass' that they sell for The National is pretty much the same thing. Additionally you are misleading everyone with you claim of gouging. It is FREE!! from 5-8 pm on Friday. You should have disclosed that in your original complaint. Your choice to get in and out to beat the traffic is a you problem.

Edit - my mistake. It used to be free Friday evenings.

[prestigecollectibles]

These are the times and prices on their website, but shouldn't the $25 Friday admission say 2:00 p.m.- 8:00 p.m.?

Hours and Admission
Friday 2:00 p.m.- 5:00 p.m. $25 (early admission)
Friday 5:00 p.m.- 8:00 p.m. $10
Saturday 9:00 a.m.-.5:00 p.m. $10
Sunday 10:00 a.m.- 4:00 p.m. $10

[Johnny630]

Friday Sounds Like A Perfect Day To Attend The Show, Less Dollar Box Dumpster Divers Clogging Up The Room.

Not Everything in Life is Free.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Friday Sounds Like A Perfect Day To Attend The Show, Less Dollar Box Dumpster Divers Clogging Up The Room.

Not Everything in Life is Free.

What’s wrong with the $1 dumpster divers? Many people look through common boxes to complete sets. Without all parts of the business there isn’t a business. Not everyone goes to shows to spend $10K on a card. Getting kids interested in collecting doesn’t have to be expensive and not everyone at shows are looking for prewar.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

What’s wrong with the $1 dumpster divers? Many people look through common boxes to complete sets. Without all parts of the business there isn’t a business. Not everyone goes to shows to spend $10K on a card. Getting kids interested in collecting doesn’t have to be expensive and not everyone at shows are looking for prewar.

Kids aren’t the dumpster divers I’m talking, it’s the cheap old men looking for mistakes in dollar boxes.

Kids aren’t buying 66 Topps Tony Olivia or other set building commons from the 60’s in Poor Shape, please.. it’s the dumpster divers looking for mistakes.

Y’all know it’s a true story lol.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Kids aren’t the dumpster divers I’m talking, it’s the cheap old men looking for mistakes in dollar boxes.

Kids aren’t buying 66 Topps Tony Olivia or other set building commons from the 60’s in Poor Shape, please.. it’s the dumpster divers looking for mistakes.

Y’all know it’s a true story lol.

I'm a $1 box dumpster diver and I also take offence at those comments.

Rich

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Kids aren’t the dumpster divers I’m talking, it’s the cheap old men looking for mistakes in dollar boxes.

Kids aren’t buying 66 Topps Tony Olivia or other set building commons from the 60’s in Poor Shape, please.. it’s the dumpster divers looking for mistakes.

Y’all know it’s a true story lol.

I look for stuff I actually collect in the dollar boxes. Some of it is over priced at a dollar, but considering the dealer probably had to drag it around for months or longer before I bought it I think it's reasonable.
Some of the strange 80's-90's varieties.
Classic autograph cards of guys who never went anywhere.
Signature rookies - pretty much anything.
Some of the flashy or die cut or both! inserts that were a big deal but are now dollar box cards.
Broders
I can't really recall ever finding a card in the dollar box that didn't deserve to be there.

Now at stamp shows, I have found stuff that might be called "mistakes" although most of it is stuff that I knew or suspected might be a little more special than being a dollar item. I've found a few, but more often than not, they turn out to not be anything more than a dollar box item. (Also generally not really worth a dollar, but if some old guy is willing to lug in a couple 30Lb boxes of CR** for me to look through he deserves a bit extra. )
On one occasion near the end of the show I was offered the entire dollar box for a very reasonable price.


We can't all be snobby elitists.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I don’t remember Friday ever being free.

In all due respect wanting to get in early with no cost and the same access to the dealers in the room is kind of a bit cheap. Lucky for you Ryan is a nice guy. One thing if your friend has a pass for you but “expecting” is nervy and cheap. Just like your comment of promoter “gouging”.


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You don't think $25 is too much for admission to a card show? It's traditionally been $5, Net54 members free. You just had to print out the post on the board. I do think I paid $5 the last time. Tickets to the National are $22 on-site. You will receive freebies from Topps, Pannini, Fleer, and lots of other companies. I got a free grading coupon (same day) last time I went to the national. You'll get nothing special at Chantilly. I think gouging is completely the correct term. I also do appreciate Ryan's kind offer and I am going to take him up on it. Honestly, I'm looking for two cards at the show...a 1952 Bowman Hodges and a Garver in mid grade. I could probably get those for around what they are charging for Friday admission.

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I don’t remember Friday ever being free.

In all due respect wanting to get in early with no cost and the same access to the dealers in the room is kind of a bit cheap. Lucky for you Ryan is a nice guy. One thing if your friend has a pass for you but “expecting” is nervy and cheap. Just like your comment of promoter “gouging”.


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what the hell got in your Cheerios this morning? "All due respect", you sound like a douche.

[philo98]

I was at the last October show. Friday was extremely busy whereas Sunday I would call dead. Saturday morning was busy but in the afternoon it slowed down. I wasn’t there late on Sunday but I heard a number of dealers packed up really early. I won’t be attending this show and will just hold off for the National. The last Chantilly show I found to be run quite well especially with the restrictions in place. It was great to network but I found prices too high. Didn’t see many deals at all.

[ezez420]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

what the hell got in your Cheerios this morning? "All due respect", you sound like a douche.

I don’t want to insult the guy but given the market and the huge demand and capacity limits in place they really don’t have to give things for free. Really the OP is being cheap not the promoter. Saying the promoter is gouging people doesn’t put the OP in a good light.

Costs have gone up substantially for these larger shows so we all should be happy they are happening. People need to get the dynamics before spouting off.


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[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I don’t want to insult the guy but given the market and the huge demand and capacity limits in place they really don’t have to give things for free. Really the OP is being cheap not the promoter. Saying the promoter is gouging people doesn’t put the OP in a good light.

Costs have gone up substantially for these larger shows so we all should be happy they are happening. People need to get the dynamics before spouting off.


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+1

[tschock]

Price gouging? Seriously? So you are privy to the promoter's books or the restrictions they might be under?

One big thing to consider: The capacity limitation for this show is 1000. What was the previous capacity limitation? Assuming previously 2000, they would have needed to double the previous entry price to have the same ticket income this time. If the previous limit was 5000, then the ticket income to the promoter (assuming all tickets sold) is effectively the same this time as it was for previous shows.

To put it as simple case, how is it price gouging if you have 1000 tickets available at $25 each or 5000 tickets available at $5 each? I'm not saying whether this is the case or not, just that you don't have enough facts to make that claim.

I thought this board would be different but I was wrong. What's the point in being on a board when people can't post opinions about anything without being name called and jumped on. Geez guys. If you don't agree just move along. No point in trying to make an argument over everything. Dang, I have already had to block two negative fight pickers in the last week. Chill.

[wondo]

Hey, at least the promoter didn't advertise the Friday early bird admission as "Make an offer".

[FrankWakefield]

There's a lot of anger in this thread... on both sides.

Golly, guys. Don't you reckon that the promoter's books aren't open to the original poster, nor to those that are what-iffing him? So what's with taking an extreme position on that and then not considering the other extreme?? Maybe the promoter is like the other side in some divorce; first thing they want is money, and the second is more money.

I'm still annoyed about the price of beer at a ballgame. I remember seeing beer sell for less than a dollar in the 60's. There's two kinds of beer at a ballpark... the beer can come to you, or you hafta get up and go get the beer.

I'd be annoyed if I got in free, and then they started charging $5. And I'd be annoyed when it went from $5 up to $25. But I can envision having a reason to enjoy it if it went to $100, more on that later.

And obviously some of you guys are good with throwing down $25 and don't like the whining.

Back when gas got to $5 a gallon, I could see aspects of that I liked. Fewer drivers on the road, less crowding made it easier to get from A to B expeditiously. There were more parking places, so easier to park and closer parking... And the down side was paying double or more for gasoline. So some of you guys who are annoyed with the position of the original poster should be advocating for $100 tickets. Then you would have fewer people with whom to compete as you were searching for cards to buy.

I still am annoyed that we don't get new telephone books.

And when I think about various times I've raised hell or caused problems on the board, it gives me pause; it's a helluva note for me to be the one advocating for folks to calm down...

Now about me getting a new, up to date, telephone directory...

[FrankWakefield]

One more thing.

Some time ago I won a card on eBay. A mid 60s Pacific Coast League card, I think a popcorn card, of some player that I wanted a card of... realistically it's a bookmark, not some valuable card. Back then, the buyer and seller would email each other to haggle out payment methods and shipping. eBay let us see each other's name and email address.

So, as soon as the auction is over I send the guy my mailing address and ask how he wants paid, that was about lunchtime and I sent that while at my office. I live in Kentucky, the seller was in California. When I got home that night he had responded. He said I could pay with personal check or money order, he didn't care. He said he'd already put the card in the mail, and that he knew I'd pay; he felt that he knew me from posts, talking with other collectors, I'm not even sure how, but he had heard of me and was sure I'd pay. I was impressed... until I looked at the end of his email.

At the end it looked like there was a poem. I thought who the hell collects baseball cards and prose or poetry? Who is this guy that I'd bought a card from. Cautiously, I started to read it. It went pretty close to what's below, because I liked it so much I committed it to memory.


I like to sit outside, drink beer,
and hollar at people.
If I do that at home,
I go to jail.
But if I go to a baseball game,
then I can fit right in.



I know that if a friend and I set up lawn chairs either side of a cooler in my front yard, and we sit there drinking beer and hollaring at those who drive by, we'll last about 10 minutes. Then the police will show up and ask me what the hell am I doing...

But if we go to a ball game, we can sit outside, drink beer, and hollar. We can hollar at one team, or both. We can hollar at the umpires. And at the ballgame they will bring us more beer.

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

There's a lot of anger in this thread... on both sides.

Golly, guys. Don't you reckon that the promoter's books aren't open to the original poster, nor to those that are what-iffing him? So what's with taking an extreme position on that and then not considering the other extreme?? Maybe the promoter is like the other side in some divorce; first thing they want is money, and the second is more money.

I'm still annoyed about the price of beer at a ballgame. I remember seeing beer sell for less than a dollar in the 60's. There's two kinds of beer at a ballpark... the beer can come to you, or you hafta get up and go get the beer.

I'd be annoyed if I got in free, and then they started charging $5. And I'd be annoyed when it went from $5 up to $25. But I can envision having a reason to enjoy it if it went to $100, more on that later.

And obviously some of you guys are good with throwing down $25 and don't like the whining.

Back when gas got to $5 a gallon, I could see aspects of that I liked. Fewer drivers on the road, less crowding made it easier to get from A to B expeditiously. There were more parking places, so easier to park and closer parking... And the down side was paying double or more for gasoline. So some of you guys who are annoyed with the position of the original poster should be advocating for $100 tickets. Then you would have fewer people with whom to compete as you were searching for cards to buy.

I still am annoyed that we don't get new telephone books.

And when I think about various times I've raised hell or caused problems on the board, it gives me pause; it's a helluva note for me to be the one advocating for folks to calm down...

Now about me getting a new, up to date, telephone directory...

There is a lot of anger on many posts in this forum. I'm shocked that so many people can get their panties in a wad so fast over the most insignificant opinions and topics. It's just cards and everyone collects differently and always have opposing views on most things in life. Agree to disagree and then move on. Not sure why some have to always call others names and be so angry all the time. I think they have medication and therapy for that. LOL.

[philo98]

Originally Posted by tschock

Price gouging? Seriously? So you are privy to the promoter's books or the restrictions they might be under?

One big thing to consider: The capacity limitation for this show is 1000. What was the previous capacity limitation? Assuming previously 2000, they would have needed to double the previous entry price to have the same ticket income this time. If the previous limit was 5000, then the ticket income to the promoter (assuming all tickets sold) is effectively the same this time as it was for previous shows.

To put it as simple case, how is it price gouging if you have 1000 tickets available at $25 each or 5000 tickets available at $5 each? I'm not saying whether this is the case or not, just that you don't have enough facts to make that claim.

The show in October 2020 was 1000 capacity as well. There was no waiting to get inside at that show. The only "waiting" was lining up outside before the show started each day. For that October weekend, I did not find the show busy except for Friday evening. It was extremely easy to social distance at that time. There was no waiting at tables to look at product. I was told because of no autograph guests, that attendance was down over previous years. I would assume that is the case this time as well. Also, the market was "hot" in October as it has been the last 7 months.

From the show in October and from a business perspective, it makes sense to charge more on Fridays. That was the bulk of the people last time and will probably be this time.