Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

You're kidding me, right?
With the over the top push to get vaccines, who wouldn't believe they would work and one would be actually protected?

People, right now, currently, believe that. They believe that having one shot protects them by at least 80% and their chances of getting covid are practically nil.
Not one I bet, until recently, actually thought they could die.
Where did they warn us about possible severe side affects and possible death from getting the vaccine? I guess I was sleeping during that announcement?

Right now some states are offering money and other incentives trying to get people vaccinated. Why is that? Are people just now hearing about these deaths and side affects or do you think they knew all along that getting the vaccine could still land them in the hospital and possibly kill them?

CDC website.

•Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective. Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

The efficacy rates were very clear in everything I read. So were the warnings.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

CDC website.


•Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective. Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

The efficacy rates were very clear in everything I read.

And just a bit ago you told me there were other sources other than the CDC?

Like I have said, numerous times now, not a peep about any of this nor the other doctors/medical professionals who oppose the vaccine on MSM.

Why do I feel like I am going in circles here?

[Peter_Spaeth]

One of YOUR links was to CBS News no? A couple of others to major publications. How are you defining MSM?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

And just a bit ago you told me there were other sources other than the CDC?

Like I have said, numerous times now, not a peep about any of this nor the other doctors/medical professionals who oppose the vaccine on MSM.

Why do I feel like I am going in circles here?

There are lots of sources. I am just pointing out that not even the dreaded CDC said it was 100 percent effective.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One of YOUR links was to CBS News no? A couple of others to major publications. How are you defining MSM?

I am unsure what is aired on your T.V. news down there but ours up here has never, until recently, talked about any of the things we are currently talking about.
Sure, there are articles that exist here and there, (and most just recently), if one searches for them but most people don't anymore, they rely on the evening news only.

We have a 24/7 news site and their agenda for the past long while has been promoting vaccines and where to get them.
Rarely, until recently, have they started talking about any of these side affects and deaths.
From the beginning, it was get vaccinated, get vaccinated as soon as you can with any type/kind as having one is certainly better than not having any!!!
Fear mongering/panic inducing at its best making people believe if they don't get one they are going to die!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

I am unsure what is aired on your T.V. news down there but ours up here has never, until recently, talked about any of the things we are currently talking about.
Sure, there are articles that exist here and there, (and most just recently), if one searches for them but most people don't anymore, they rely on the evening news only.

We have a 24/7 news site and their agenda for the past long while has been promoting vaccines and where to get them.
Rarely, until recently, have they started talking about any of these side affects and deaths.
From the beginning, it was get vaccinated, get vaccinated as soon as you can with any type/kind as having one is certainly better than not having any!!!
Fear mongering/panic inducing at its best making people believe if they don't get one they are going to die!

I haven't seen your news so I can't comment on it but as a general proposition yes news should be balanced.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Pretty sure it was you that mentioned that the covid survival rate was over 97% as a way of saying we don't all need the vaccine. If not you, someone did.
Let's assume the number of people who have died after getting the vaccine actually died from the vaccine. Could you please present the survival rate for people getting the vaccine? Just wondering how they compare.

Thanks, Ken

27,035,524
Cases which had an outcome:
26,439,712 (98%)
Recovered / Discharged

595,812 (2%)
Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just as a side note, and sorry if it pisses people off, it's unfortunate there isn't the same political will to take on smoking as there is to take on the coronavirus.

"Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure."

Source is CDC.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

27,035,524
Cases which had an outcome:
26,439,712 (98%)
Recovered / Discharged

595,812 (2%)
Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Thanks, now how about the number of deaths after getting the vaccine? Think it approaches 2%? That was my question for you.

[Shoeless Moe]

Dale I don't get your end game regarding the vaccine. Do you want no one to get it? or you are saying it's pointless.......or it's more harmful then Covid?

I have not gotten it, but may, may not.......just waiting to see how more of this plays out.

I know you are a Trumper, no problem there, and he was the one, his regime anyhow, who got the vaccine done so quickly. But I think it wasn't done recklessly to just have a vaccine. I think it was an "all hands on deck" let's figure this out working 24/7. Whereas when people say a vaccine normally takes years, that may be true, but that's because not nearly the amount of resources were put in to get this one done so quickly.

So yah you are gonna break a few eggs as we have seen, but you could get that with anything.

But back to one of my points, Trump got this done. He gets the credit not Biden in my eyes. Joe got a vaccine, basically 5-run lead going to the 9th and he just had to close out the game. So he's done that. He gets his credit as well, and to be honest it's neither of the Presidents getting this done, it's the scientists and these big companies.

So like Frank Costanza I lost my train of thought.......carry on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Dale I don't get your end game regarding the vaccine. Do you want no one to get it? or you are saying it's pointless.......or it's more harmful then Covid?

I have not gotten it, but may, may not.......just waiting to see how more of this plays out.

I know you are a Trumper, no problem there, and he was the one, his regime anyhow, who got the vaccine done so quickly. But I think it wasn't done recklessly to just have a vaccine. I think it was an "all hands on deck" let's figure this out working 24/7. Whereas when people say a vaccine normally takes years, that may be true, but that's because not nearly the amount of resources were put in to get this one done so quickly.

So yah you are gonna break a few eggs as we have seen, but you could get that with anything.

But back to one of my points, Trump got this done. He gets the credit not Biden in my eyes. Joe got a vaccine, basically 5-run lead going to the 9th and he just had to close out the game. So he's done that. He gets his credit as well, and to be honest it's neither of the Presidents getting this done, it's the scientists and these big companies.

So like Frank Costanza I lost my train of thought.......carry on.

Trump, to be fair though, undercut his very strong push for a vaccine for which I give him credit by his inconsistent messaging about the virus and its impact, masks, and so forth.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

And just a bit ago you told me there were other sources other than the CDC?

Like I have said, numerous times now, not a peep about any of this nor the other doctors/medical professionals who oppose the vaccine on MSM.

Why do I feel like I am going in circles here?

Don't think I've ever read an article about the vaccines without them noting the efficacy rates, and it's never been 100. Seems pretty clear??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Don't think I've ever read an article about the vaccines without them noting the efficacy rates, and it's never been 100. Seems pretty clear??

Seems Dale is knocking over a straw man. Time honored technique.