What are the chances?

[Eggoman]

From what I was told... The Owner didn't want to gamble to price of grading & authentication...

I know, I know - THAT SMELLS REAL BAD!!

[packs]

I don't think the autograph is good. Even IF the card were authentic, it could never be holdered unless the signature was authentic as well.

Card would still have value if it were authentic with a bad signature, but it couldn't be holdered unless both were good.

[perezfan]

I do not see anything about the card or sig that would preclude either from being authentic. Whatever happened to “Buy the Card - not the Holder” (or lack thereof).

Maybe the consignor isn’t a collector, and didn’t have the ability to wait a year for the 3rd party “blessing”. He may need his money sooner, and/or couldn’t fathom the obscene premiums people pay for slabs? It’s a shame we’ve reached the point of condemning the card simply for not being slabbed.

[bmattioli]

Trying to legit a card like this especially with the auto through pictures online is tough, got to be held in hand..

[Bpm0014]

I saw NOTHING that led me to believe that it is NOT a GENUINE '33 Goudey...

Stock is right, felt right, smelled right, printing looked correct, etc. - it passes MY "Stink Test"!

I stand behind my assessment above that the autograph is very very close and could certainly be authentic. I’d need to see it in hand however. I know Ruth extremely well and have studied it extensively. This simply looks like he condensed his signature to fit it in the space. This is more than likely authentic.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

I saw NOTHING that led me to believe that it is NOT a GENUINE '33 Goudey...

Stock is right, felt right, smelled right, printing looked correct, etc. - it passes MY "Stink Test"!

I stand behind my assessment above that the autograph is very very close and could certainly be authentic. I’d need to see it in hand however. I know Ruth extremely well and have studied it extensively. This simply looks like he condensed his signature to fit it in the space. This is more than likely authentic.

And how would you explain the difference in pen pressure? That too since his signature was condensed?

Maybe it was a windy card and the card kept flapping around while he was trying to sign


Sadly, whether he did, or didnt sign, it only matters what a TPGs opinion is, and doubtful this would pass

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And how would you explain the difference in pen pressure? That too since his signature was condensed?

Maybe it was a windy card and the card kept flapping around while he was trying to sign


Sadly, whether he did, or didnt sign, it only matters what a TPGs opinion is, and doubtful this would pass

Whether authentic or not... the variance in pen pressure throughout the sig is a relatively common phenomenon. Some of Babe's sigs had uniform ink distribution throughout, but many did not. The fountain pens of the day were touchy and often unpredictable. A slight increase in pressure could easily result in a much darker/bolder line. Just a few examples of authentic sigs below...

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And how would you explain the difference in pen pressure? That too since his signature was condensed?



Maybe it was a windy card and the card kept flapping around while he was trying to sign





Sadly, whether he did, or didnt sign, it only matters what a TPGs opinion is, and doubtful this would pass

I am no expert but I have not seen an authentic signed Ruth Goudey where he signs in open space only instead of across the image.

Obviously that doesn't mean much but just an observation.

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[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by Eggoman

From what I was told... The Owner didn't want to gamble to price of grading & authentication...

I know, I know - THAT SMELLS REAL BAD!!

If this auctioneer honestly did not insist on submission and pay the fee himself that is a big red flag.
Its literally his job to maximize the price that these items go for.

He could have paid $300 or $600 fee at a lower level if he was not confident and happily paid the upcharge if it did come back legit.

And no it does not take a year to get a card like this graded or authenticated, it takes about 1-14 days depending on the level you pay for.

[ruth-gehrig]

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