Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

D. Bergin · #1 04-27-2021, 10:47 AM

Here's a sobering graph from a few months ago when very few, if anybody had been vaccinated yet and at least half the country wasn't taking this the slightest bit seriously, even if they had known, or known of people who had been taken by this.

I'm sorry, but there's not really "two sides to the story".

packs · #2 04-27-2021, 11:03 AM

Approximately 95 million people in the US have been vaccinated. The vaccine is known not to be 100% effective and I'm not sure there is a vaccine that is. Should be some expectation that it will not work for every last person who receives it. I wouldn't expect that to be a deterrent.

Huysmans · #3 04-27-2021, 11:33 AM

So many touting what's best for everyone....
try this, just worry about YOU, and let OTHERS decide what's best for THEM.

A complicated concept for some regulars on here apparently....

vintagetoppsguy · #4 04-27-2021, 01:43 PM

I don't understand the issue some have with those who choose not to get vaccinated. Perhaps they've never heard of the Tuskegee Experiment?

Peter_Spaeth · #5 04-27-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't understand the issue some have with those who choose not to get vaccinated. Perhaps they've never heard of the Tuskegee Experiment?

Speaking neutrally, I think the issue is that we've been told that people who refuse to be vaccinated -- if there are enough of them -- could prevent the achievement of so-called herd immunity. In other words, framed this way, an individual's choice affects more than the individual.

tschock · #6 04-27-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Speaking neutrally, I think the issue is that we've been told that people who refuse to be vaccinated -- if there are enough of them -- could prevent the achievement of so-called herd immunity. In other words, framed this way, an individual's choice affects more than the individual.

I doubt it would prevent the achievement of herd immunity, since this could be obtained in theory by everyone contracting the virus and becoming immune that way. But it could impact the way and time that herd immunity occurs. Specifically it could slow the spread and allow for more variations of the virus if it happens over a longer period of time (or not). Similar to the 'game of life', where either overconcentration or underpopulation could wipe out an organism. No masks/quarantining could end this much quicker with a faster but with a devastating spread. Slowing the spread could keep it around much longer but with less devastation (again, or not). The real problem is trying to determine the right balance to reduce or isolate the spread.

We don't have enough people presenting all sides in a neutral way, so your point is well appreciated.

Republicaninmass · #7 04-27-2021, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tschock

Similar to the 'game of life', where either overconcentration or underpopulation could wipe out an organism. No masks/quarantining could end this much quicker with a faster but with a devastating spread. Slowing the spread could keep it around much longer but with less devastation (again, or not). The real problem is trying to determine the right balance to reduce or isolate the spread.

I tend to agree. When the idea of "flattening the curve" came out, the one possible graph showed more deaths, but over a longer period of time to ease the burden on hospitals. So although it would have been devasting right away, it seems like it would less overall.

MooseDog · #8 04-27-2021, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't understand the issue some have with those who choose not to get vaccinated. Perhaps they've never heard of the Tuskegee Experiment?

Ever known anyone who contracted polio or smallpox lately?

vintagetoppsguy · #9 04-27-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MooseDog

Ever known anyone who contracted polio or smallpox lately?

Anybody die of the polio or smallpox vaccines lately?

Anyone die of the Covid vaccine lately?

Peter_Spaeth · #10 04-27-2021, 06:54 PM

Any medical intervention north of a Band Aid is going to involve some risk. That risk has to be assessed in the context of the potential benefit, both at an individual and societal level.

D. Bergin · #11 04-27-2021, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Anybody die of the polio or smallpox vaccines lately?

Anyone die of the Covid vaccine lately?

How many people have died of Covid?

I think this bears repeating.

This is just a snap shot of 20 random days in January. People say they want more data, but then ignore it when it's given to them.

Are you really more afraid of the vaccine, then you are of actual, honest to goodness Covid?

MooseDog · #12 04-27-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Anybody die of the polio or smallpox vaccines lately?
Anyone die of the Covid vaccine lately?

...that went completely over your head, didn't it...

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