Revisiting the 1910 PC805 Novelty Cutlery Postcard set.

[rainier2004]

Also, as Phil pointed out, the Collins and Crawford look like the images were shot the same day at the same spot. That spot could be Bennett Park in 1909 as Philly came into town 3 times that year and these guys played each other. Doesn't look like Bennett to me though and their meetings were in summer and not spring and everyone has the long sleeves and all.

By 1909 teams were playing in Hot Springs including Philly and Detroit. They had a second field built in 1909 to accommodate all the teams coming for spring training and in 1912 a third field went in. Maybe they were taken there? Wonder how many of these images were taken in spring training?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

By 1909 teams were playing in Hot Springs including Philly and Detroit. They had a second field built in 1909 to accommodate all the teams coming for spring training and in 1912 a third field went in. Maybe they were taken there? Wonder how many of these images were taken in spring training?

I actually thought that hose images vlooked like they were taken in Hot Springs, AR too. I have not had a chance to do any research though. If they were taken in Spring Training, it is very hard to date the images by their uniforms as it was common for the players to wear uniforms from previous years. I have seen images of teams in Spring Training where the players are dressed in three, four and five different uniforms from past years.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

I actually thought that hose images vlooked like they were taken in Hot Springs, AR too. I have not had a chance to do any research though. If they were taken in Spring Training, it is very hard to date the images by their uniforms as it was common for the players to wear uniforms from previous years. I have seen images of teams in Spring Training where the players are dressed in three, four and five different uniforms from past years.

Pics of those places are around, showing the left field wall from ground view was difficult to find. But yeah, spring training would throw the whole thing off like you said.

Im getting lost a bit, but Rick pointed out the spelling mistakes made. 805s had 4 spelling errors while the 796s only had Honas wrong, seems unlike then the 796s came first to only mess up 3 more players names after words.

Also, why are all the postmarks on the NCs in PA? I havent counted yet, but the 796 that just sold on ebay is also sent from PA.

[rainier2004]

The Cobb is the Frances Burke photo, no? Is there no date confirmation for this? Rick has all the info already laid out above, looks like it matches the 1905-07 pics I have. Where is this shot at? We know Burke took photos in 1907 of the team, assume this could be from the same shoot.

[Casey2296]

I like the double dots on Cobbs last name, seems like artistic license, much like the asterisk on the Speaker, no purpose other than a fun design.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I like the double dots on Cobbs last name, seems like artistic license, much like the asterisk on the Speaker, no purpose other than a fun design.

Dooin, Overall and Matty have the same dot...just so random? Man that glove looks huge!

[Baseball Rarities]

Yes, it is a Burke photo. I assume that it is from 1907. Same one used for some of his other cards like his 1915 Cracker Jack and 1922 E121 American Caramel. Like I have mentioned before, it is common for card manufacturers to use old photos for their cards.

Obviously, the year of the photo does not date the card. Despite what others may try and suggest, it just determines the earliest that a card could have been made.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Yes, it is a Burke photo. I assume that it is from 1907. Same one used for some of his other cards like his 1915 Cracker Jack and 1922 E121 American Caramel. Like I have mentioned before, it is common for card manufacturers to use old photos for their cards.

Obviously, the year of the photo does not date the card, it just determines the earliest that a card could have been made.

What are you talking about???!!! This is a bombshell!!! Proof that the Cracker Jack set is actually from 1907! Going to stand the hobby on its ear!