T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

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........ Piedmont ......... Sovereign ....... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards____POLAR BEAR .......... Hindu ....... American Beauty


Chase (trophy) is on of my favorite cards in the 460-only Series. This card's width conforms exactly to the AMERICAN BEAUTY standard cut. Most of them, that I have seen,
are less than 1 3/8inches.

Fat or thin, show us your AMERICAN BEAUTIES.

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^---------------- 1 5/8 " ----------------^ . . . ^----------------- 1 3/8 " -----------------^





TED Z

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[tedzan]

These colorful T209-1 cards remind me of T206's. Needless to say, they are quite rare. And this is probably why I enjoy the challenge in finding them.
Also, I prefer the blue lettering in their captions. The blue ink is more distinct than the brown captions on the T206's.

And I have to thank Leon for providing me four of these T209 cards approx. 10 years ago....which completed my set.

Some catalogues date them as a 1910 issue. However, research indicates these cards may have been issued in late 1909. Net54 members, Mike Peich
and Tim Newcomb have done some outstanding research on this set, and you can read all about it in.... https://t209-contentnea.com/t209-overview/







Hoffman is my favorite in the set.

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I have said enough for now.....therefore, show us some of your T209 cards.

TED Z

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[tedzan]

OK, carrying on......shown here is a sampling of the T209-2 CONTENTNEA cards. These B/W photo-type cards were issued in 1910, and a
complete set consists of 222 subjects.

You old-timers will find this story interesting. Some years ago Mike Peich called me regarding a bunch of T209-2 cards that he knew I had.
Since we both live in Pennsylvania, we decided on a meeting place mid-way between our residences. And sure enough it was Willow Grove.
Remember the Marriott Hotel on Rte. 611....that's where we did our deal and for 2 hours (or more) reminiscing about the good ole days at
the famous Willow Grove BB card Show.

T209-1 cards



Furthermore, note that the T209-2 cards have the standard bottom line for Federal Tobacco Tax purposes.
On the other hand, the T209-1 cards were not printed with it. So, employees at the Factory (Wilson, NC)
hand stamped the bottom line information on the backs of these cards. Anyhow, many of these cards are
missing this stamp.

T209-1 backs




I'm still waiting to see your pretty looking T209-1 cards. I think the color printing quality of these 16 cards is a tad better than the T206's.

What's your opinion ?


TED Z

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[ValKehl]

[QUOTE=tedzan;2111012]These colorful T209-1 cards remind me of T206's. Needless to say, they are very rare. And, this is probably why I enjoy the challenge in finding them./QUOTE]

Ted, congrats for having completed this T209-1 set of 16 cards. But I am curious as to why you say "they are very rare." The combined PSA & SGC pop reports show a total of 495 T209-1 cards graded, with the least number graded being 24 each for Cooper & Gilmore. As we know, there are many pre-War cards for which only one, two, or three examples are known to exist. How do you describe these cards? IMHO, T209-1s are scarce or perhaps even quite scarce, but not rare.

[tedzan]

Hi Val

I'm surprised that the population reports list that many T209-1 cards. Anyhow, the synonym for "scarce" is "rare".
So, I'll modify my comment to say "quite rare"

I completed this set 10 years ago. And like Ringo Starr once sang...."It Don't Come Easy".

At BB card shows you seldom see them (and this is so, even at the National).

After all these years, I recently upgraded my Hoffman card. I have a few more that need up-grading.

I'll leave you by asking you this: Have you tried putting together this set of 16 cards ?


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TED Z

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[ValKehl]

Ted, thanks for the enlightenment. I have long thought that rare meant scarcer than scarce.

No Ted, I have never tried to put together a T209-1 set, as I am not a set collector, with one exception, that being the 1925 Holland Creameries set of 18 cards.

[Bliggity]

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

Hi Dan

Very nice, thanks for displaying your set. I, too, am suspect of the pop report total of these cards. These T209-1 cards...."Don't Come Easy"....and, they don't come "CHEAP".
With respect to that latter comment....I suspect due to their high $$$$ value, many of these cards have been resubmitted, hoping for an increase in their $$$$ value.

Dan....do you also collect the T209-2 cards ?


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years.

Here's the 7 different Booles that sold

2-26-21
Booles 2-26-21.jpg

1-17-21
Booles 1-7-21.jpg

5-12-20
Booles 5-12 20.jpg

12-8-19
Booles 12-8-19.jpg

10-5-19
Booles 10-5-19.jpg

8-11-19
Booles 8-11-19.jpg

6-25-19
Booles 6-25-19.jpg

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ted, thanks for the enlightenment. I have long thought that rare meant scarcer than scarce.

No Ted, I have never tried to put together a T209-1 set, as I am not a set collector, with one exception, that being the 1925 Holland Creameries set of 18 cards.

Val......will I see you at the Philly Show this forthcoming weekend ?

It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty,
and we a nice deal on it.

You are really one of the great guys in this hobby.


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TED Z

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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Val......will I see you at the Philly Show this forthcoming weekend ?

It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty,
and we a nice deal on it.

You are really one of the great guys in this hobby.

Ted, thanks for the kind words.

I was planning to come to this weekend's Philly Show only if the National was either cancelled or held but with significant Covid-19 restrictions; it currently appears that there will be a normal or near-normal National this year. I may make it to one of the Philly Shows later this year.

Every time you have showed your T213-1 Coupon of Matty, I have recalled our trade and realized how delighted you were to obtain this card. And, truth be told, I have felt a bit of trader's remorse, despite being delighted with the T206 Sovereign 350 WaJo portrait I received from you. This is because I'm partial to very scarce/rare cards, and I really liked having the Matty as my T213-1 type card, but of course, one has to give up something good to get something good.