Full House at the Rangers game right now

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

It's actually closer to 98%:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

However, there are more than the two outcomes from COVID than you're talking about - perfect health and death. COVID causes long-term problems in a lot of patients - heart issues, brain issues, and more. My brother is 15+ months out from getting COVID and still doesn't have his sense of taste back.

It's a lot more complicated than just "you die or you don't".

In addition to that, there is the significant burden that COVID places on the health care system. That has the effect of harming the care available to non-COVID patients.

None of the above should be interpreted in any way as advocating opening of businesses or closing of businesses.

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

[Fballguy]

BTW...Wasn't spring break supposed to cause another spike?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

But doesn't the government try to mitigate the risk? Helmets, age minimums, licensing?? Wearing masks in public or temporarily halting mass, crowded indoor public events seem to be in character with all of your examples.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

You're refuting a point I didn't make. I was referring to the effects of COVID, specifically in reference to the - false - statement of a 99.97% survival rate. You're talking about something completely different.

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

Government does make the decision. It's illegal to drive after consuming much alcohol. Clothing and helmets are regulated for motorcycles. Cigarettes are restricted from sale based on age and location. Their use is banned in many places. And so on.

So, by it being "not that much different", you're advocating for government intervention. That doesn't jibe with what you said above.

Originally Posted by Fballguy

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

Texas just had a 27% jump in weekly cases.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Texas just had a 27% jump in weekly cases.

Stop getting your news from CNN. These sensational stories are so 2020.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Stop getting your news from CNN. These sensational stories are so 2020.

Where do you get your news? (And no, I don't watch CNN)

[irv]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Stop getting your news from CNN. These sensational stories are so 2020.

This will very likely be removed from Twitter soon as they certainly don't like the truth being out there, but we'll see?

Sounds like they are now going to ramp up the global warming/climate change train again because, you know, after all, fear sells and people will gladly give up their hard earned money for such a noble cause.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...00630567469060

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...62653816856576

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...30642926854145

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Stop getting your news from CNN. These sensational stories are so 2020.

What a weird assumption to make. I don't watch or read CNN.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

What a weird assumption to make. I don't watch or read CNN.

Your feigned befuddlement is actually comical. As if sensationally false headlines, of which this is one, don't come out of CNN every five minutes. Feel free to point out the where the 27% increase is:

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Your feigned befuddlement is actually comical. As if sensationally false headlines, of which this is one, don't come out of CNN every five minutes. Feel free to point out the where the 27% increase is:

Well, when you post a graphic that's out of date...

https://www.timesrecordnews.com/stor...wtr/115693058/

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Well, when you post a graphic that's out of date...

https://www.timesrecordnews.com/stor...wtr/115693058/

Mine was from the New York Times and thru April 13th (both of which are stated in my graphic)...Not that the New York Times can compare with...wait for it...The USA Today Network.

PS...What is the USA Today Network. Is that bloggers?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Government does make the decision. It's illegal to drive after consuming much alcohol. Clothing and helmets are regulated for motorcycles. Cigarettes are restricted from sale based on age and location. Their use is banned in many places. And so on.

So, by it being "not that much different", you're advocating for government intervention. That doesn't jibe with what you said above.

That's not apples to apples. Let's see what would happen if the Gov't said no cigarette, alcohol, gun sales for the next 13+ months. Oh and no motorcycle riding either.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That's not apples to apples. Let's see what would happen if the Gov't said no cigarette, alcohol, gun sales for the next 13+ months. Oh and no motorcycle riding either.

Not to mention shutting down Net54 for 13+ months.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Not to mention shutting down Net54 for 13+ months.

at least we always practice being 6 feet away from each member as we type.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That's not apples to apples. Let's see what would happen if the Gov't said no cigarette, alcohol, gun sales for the next 13+ months. Oh and no motorcycle riding either.

Speaking of apples to apples, get back to us with your analogy when the simple act of riding a motorcycle, buying a cigarette, buying a gun, or buying alcohol has the potential to infect someone with a serious virus during a non-pandemic period.

And by the way, in case you weren't aware, second-hand smoke can cause cancer in non-smokers. Because of that, smoking is banned in many public buildings in many places. You can use that in an analogy if you're so inclined.

I feel this thread has run it's course. Just my opinion.

[perezfan]

Agree... another vote for killing it, Leon.

The discussion about the Rangers opening game is long over. I have gotten immersed in this hobby in an attempt to escape from this stuff. Perhaps anyone who wants to debate this topic can move over to a different forum?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Wimberleycardcollector

I feel this thread has run it's course. Just my opinion.

There are plenty others to read. Have yourself some fun.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Speaking of apples to apples, get back to us with your analogy when the simple act of riding a motorcycle, buying a cigarette, buying a gun, or buying alcohol has the potential to infect someone with a serious virus during a non-pandemic period.

And by the way, in case you weren't aware, second-hand smoke can cause cancer in non-smokers. Because of that, smoking is banned in many public buildings in many places. You can use that in an analogy if you're so inclined.

You kind of harpoon your point with your second paragraph. You start by saying cigarettes, alcohol and guns can't hurt others (Really? Guns? You need that one explained?), then go on to point out how cigarettes hurt others. I'm sure there are thousands of kids growing up in homes where parents are smoking. What's the Govt doing about that?

Here's an analogy for you...Forcing everyone to wear a mask, was like the Gov't saying everyone has to wear a motorcycle helmet whether you own a motorcycle or not. After all, you might get hit by someone riding one.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

You kind of harpoon your point with your second paragraph. You start by saying cigarettes, alcohol and guns can't hurt others (Really? Guns? You need that one explained?), then go on to point out how cigarettes hurt others. I'm sure there are thousands of kids growing up in homes where parents are smoking. What's the Govt doing about that?

Here's an analogy for you...Forcing everyone to wear a mask, was like the Gov't saying everyone has to wear a motorcycle helmet whether you own a motorcycle or not. After all, you might get hit by someone riding one.

Making stuff up doesn't prove a thing. Nor does it turn bananas into apples.

Where did I say cigarettes, alcohol, and guns can't hurt anyone? Where? Quote any of my posts where I said what you falsely claim I said.

And then, there you go again. In the same post. Making stuff up. When did the government ever say everyone has to wear a motorcycle helmet whether you own a motorcycle or not? The government never said any such thing. If I'm wrong, cite an article that says otherwise.

I don't know what it is you're smoking or drinking, but you should give it up. You need to try living in reality for a while.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Texas just had a 27% jump in weekly cases.

You're spouting stupid misinformation.
(This article is only a couple of hours old)

https://abc13.com/10514883/?ex_cid=T...oXeyrTSdMw5P-o

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're spouting stupid misinformation.
(This article is only a couple of hours old)

https://abc13.com/10514883/?ex_cid=T...oXeyrTSdMw5P-o

And yet I just cited a source.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

And yet I just cited a source.

I'm going to trust my local Houston ABC affiliate more than your source. But nice try.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm going to trust my local Houston ABC affiliate more than your source. But nice try.

It's a local Texas newspaper.


Try harder.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

It's a local Texas newspaper.


Try harder.

You live on the biggest sh!thole state in the US and you're going to run your mouth about Texas? Do you really want to go there? I'll definitely play along.