Help Identifying this Martin Dihigo Card

Jason19th · #1 04-07-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mannybb24

Hate to burst your bubble but the card is a fantasy piece.
I own several of them and purchased them several years ago from an eBay seller in Mexico. That particular seller, who I believe has two seller accounts on eBay is known to sell fake cards and also fake record albums as well
The one funny thing that gets me is every time they try selling baseball cards they always happen to find a Dihigo, just their luck, they say these cards are so rare but they continue to always find a Dihigo card, imagine that!

I know a few other collectors on this board know who I�m talking about and have been burned by them in the past. We�ve reported them to eBay on several occasions but they continue to sell their crap.
Seller IDs:
Barbacoa2015
Pokejurecords

Steve

I always assumed the cards were fake, but how in the world do you fake an album.

I just bought a lot of 21 1960�s baseball programs from them. I think I will just be impressed if those are fake too- that would be a lot work

mannybb24 · #2 04-07-2021, 12:59 PM

Jason, I probably should have been more specific, they are fake album covers and not the actual record.

The programs are real, they�re not that talented to make replicas of those so you�ll be fine.

The cards on the other hand are low grade quality, usually with blurry or grainy pics of the players. I have real Mexican cards from the 40s even though they were printed on thin paper the image quality is much sharper than the fakes they claim are from the 50s-60s.

Orioles1954 · #3 04-07-2021, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I always assumed the cards were fake, but how in the world do you fake an album.

I just bought a lot of 21 1960’s baseball programs from them. I think I will just be impressed if those are fake too- that would be a lot work

I'm way more of a record collector than a card collector these days. Believe it or not, there are several Chinese record pressing plants that churn out fake vinyl.

Scocs · #4 04-07-2021, 01:50 PM

That�s messed up!

mannybb24 · #5 04-07-2021, 04:32 PM

I thought I'd post some pics of fake and real Mexican cards to help anyone from future mistakes.
The first pic of cards are fake, the top ones are like the Dihigo we are talking about in this thread and the bottom are fakes that were sold by the same seller on eBay claiming them to be 1950's issued cards.
Unfortunately for the person that made these used a photo of Minnie Minoso from the '80's.
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The following pics are real cards from 1945, I have been lucky and fortunate enough to find the album along with many cards to the set though this set is one of the rarest foreign issues around, with maybe 3-4 copies known for each card or less.
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And here is an album I had up till last year when I traded it away minus the Bill Wright, some of you have seen some of the cards like the Dihigo and Dandy but most have never seen the album. Here they are still pasted in the album like when I bought them, and yes these are real Mexican cards, they are called Arte Y Deportes and they are from 1951 and not 1947-48 like some of us thought.
mex album 1.jpg
mex album 23.jpg

Exhibitman · #6 04-07-2021, 06:22 PM

Arte y Deportes also had some boxers. Here is one:

mannybb24 · #7 04-07-2021, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Arte y Deportes also had some boxers. Here is one:

Yes, I had the entire album which included boxers, soccer players and wrestlers.

Exhibitman · #8 04-07-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mannybb24

Yes, I had the entire album which included boxers, soccer players and wrestlers.

Got a list of the boxers by chance? My checklist is

207 Tony Mar
210 Luis Castillo
211 Chucho Ruiz
212 Julia Cesar Jiminez
213 Carlos Malarca
214 Bernardo Flores
216 Ernesto Aguilar
218 Juan Zurita
220 Paulino Montes
221 Kid Azteca
223 Nicolas Moran
228 Guillermo Valero

I'd love to fill in the blanks.

Jason19th · #9 04-07-2021, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannybb24

I thought I'd post some pics of fake and real Mexican cards to help anyone from future mistakes.
The first pic of cards are fake, the top ones are like the Dihigo we are talking about in this thread and the bottom are fakes that were sold by the same seller on eBay claiming them to be 1950's issued cards.
Unfortunately for the person that made these used a photo of Minnie Minoso from the '80's.
Attachment 451005

The following pics are real cards from 1945, I have been lucky and fortunate enough to find the album along with many cards to the set though this set is one of the rarest foreign issues around, with maybe 3-4 copies known for each card or less.
Attachment 451006

And here is an album I had up till last year when I traded it away minus the Bill Wright, some of you have seen some of the cards like the Dihigo and Dandy but most have never seen the album. Here they are still pasted in the album like when I bought them, and yes these are real Mexican cards, they are called Arte Y Deportes and they are from 1951 and not 1947-48 like some of us thought.
Attachment 451007
Attachment 451008

That Minoso is very interesting. It leads me to think that the cards might not be fake in the sense that they were meant to deceive. Remember that Minoso went back and played in the Mexican league into the early 1970�s when he was some where between 50 and 200 years old. Isn�t it possible that this �set� was put out in the 1970�s as very cheap novelties and they decided to include some old timers. I just have a hard time believing that someone fakes a Rosell card. I have been collecting in this area for a decade and I just learned who he was. Clearly not from the 1950�s and clearly not licensed in any way, but I am just note sure fake is the right word

mannybb24 · #10 04-07-2021, 08:26 PM

Sorry Jason but the cards were meant to deceive and they even showed me a photocopy pic of what they said was the front of the album of the colored cards (Minoso) that read "1950".
These cards are absolutely fake and the sellers knew what they were and are doing, they are not commemorative cards from the 70's.
They had to make cards of other players right? They couldn't just make Dihigo cards, people would be suspicious on why they only find and sell Dihigo's.
If there was a way of looking back at all of their past sales of cards, you'll find the majority contain a Dihigo, I find that kinda odd, don't you?

As far as Basilio Rosell, he was a star player in Cuba and is in the Mexican Hall of Fame (Cuban HOF too, 1939) so people do know him and have known about him for a long time.
Here is a postcard I have of him from the 20's in Cuba:
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Jason19th · #11 04-07-2021, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannybb24

Sorry Jason but the cards were meant to deceive and they even showed me a photocopy pic of what they said was the front of the album of the colored cards (Minoso) that read "1950".
These cards are absolutely fake and the sellers knew what they were and are doing, they are not commemorative cards from the 70's.
They had to make cards of other players right? They couldn't just make Dihigo cards, people would be suspicious on why they only find and sell Dihigo's.
If there was a way of looking back at all of their past sales of cards, you'll find the majority contain a Dihigo, I find that kinda odd, don't you?

As far as Basilio Rosell, he was a star player in Cuba and is in the Mexican Hall of Fame (Cuban HOF too, 1939) so people do know him and have known about him for a long time.
Here is a postcard I have of him from the 20's in Cuba:
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Well that 1950 album pretty much settles the debate

I love the real album. There was one on eBay a couple years ago and I really wish I had gone after it. Though it does have some of the strangest art I have seen on a card. The Dandridge is almost like some weird pop art

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