SGC is cranking on recent subs....WOW!!!!!!!

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

Could you give some details?

Three post-war (50s and 60s) cards in older PSA holders. I planned to cross them over because I prefer the SGC holder, think they're more consistent at grading vintage and pre-war, and simply think they run a better operation than PSA. I sent them in expecting grade reductions and picked minimum grades that I thought left plenty of room (up to a full grade lower). One came back .5 lower and the other two didn't meet the minimum standard. I should have sent them in for any numerical grade, which is what I'll likely do now.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

Three post-war (50s and 60s) cards in older PSA holders. I planned to cross them over because I prefer the SGC holder, think they're more consistent at grading vintage and pre-war, and simply think they run a better operation than PSA. I sent them in expecting grade reductions and picked minimum grades that I thought left plenty of room (up to a full grade lower). One came back .5 lower and the other two didn't meet the minimum standard. I should have sent them in for any numerical grade, which is what I'll likely do now.

I think this has to do with age of the grade. its a myth that any of the big 3 have 'tougher' standards. the fact is, 5 years ago everyone was grading on a looser scale. So if you cross an old PSA graded card to SGC (or an old SGC graded card to PSA) you are going to take a hit. this would not be a problem if everyone was 'buying the card' - the numerical grade should not matter.... but unfortunately, sellers are able to sell overgraded cards at their slabbed grade price. Not enough buyers are forcing their hands at the moment.

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

I think this has to do with age of the grade. its a myth that any of the big 3 have 'tougher' standards. the fact is, 5 years ago everyone was grading on a looser scale. So if you cross an old PSA graded card to SGC (or an old SGC graded card to PSA) you are going to take a hit. this would not be a problem if everyone was 'buying the card' - the numerical grade should not matter.... but unfortunately, sellers are able to sell overgraded cards at their slabbed grade price. Not enough buyers are forcing their hands at the moment.

We agree, I think. I expected a drop based on my own evaluation of the cards vs. the grade they had been assigned and the passage of time and thought I'd accounted for that. Not so. This was not to say that SGC is "tougher" than PSA, but that attributing "toughness" to PSA as some sort of standard bearer is misguided.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Mutton Chop Yaz

We agree, I think. I expected a drop based on my own evaluation of the cards vs. the grade they had been assigned and the passage of time and thought I'd accounted for that. Not so. This was not to say that SGC is "tougher" than PSA, but that attributing "toughness" to PSA as some sort of standard bearer is misguided.

agreed.

[mintacular]

While I commend their quick turnaround times, I think there $25/card is a bit too high / too fast. In November or so they were $10/card and then cut off bulk subs and went to $15/card. Just 2 months later $25/card with PSA still offering $20/card value subs albeit a one year wait.... Point being I think $20 a card is where they should have landed, not $25, plus they were able to see PSAs new prices before responding.

[YankeeHotelFoxtrot]

I pay 20 a card in bulk subs.

If you need one, let me know. Send 10 cards and it drops to $18 I believe

Originally Posted by mintacular

While I commend their quick turnaround times, I think there $25/card is a bit too high / too fast. In November or so they were $10/card and then cut off bulk subs and went to $15/card. Just 2 months later $25/card with PSA still offering $20/card value subs albeit a one year wait.... Point being I think $20 a card is where they should have landed, not $25, plus they were able to see PSAs new prices before responding.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by YankeeHotelFoxtrot

I pay 20 a card in bulk subs.

If you need one, let me know. Send 10 cards and it drops to $18 I believe

Not seeing any information on SGC site pertaining to "bulk" subs?

Have always preferred SGC until lately with the price increases.

Found some email on our last PSA bulk submission where I dropped off at USPS on May 11, 2020 (still waiting) - so pretty much done with PSA also for the foreseeable future.

I guess I am probably leaning more towards CSG these days for any new submissions........