The Next "Big Cards"

[rats60]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

We are all entitled to our opinions. But as long as AH's keep propagating that the Leaf is his rookie, like you said, just to sell a card, then that myth will continue. You can split whatever hair you want in defining what the definition of a "national issue" means. But to me if they were available in other cities, even if it was only in black neighborhoods, then that counts. I could be wrong and the Leaf reigns supreme. But, as more people are educated on the Bond Bread set the perception could change.

When the term "rookie card" was defined in the early 80s this was discussed. Nationally issued means the card is available to the majority collectors, not just a few in certain areas of the country. Bond Bread is the definition of regional. The only myth being spread is that something other than the Leaf and Bowman are rookie cards. Judging from Goldin last night, most of the hobby's opinion is still the Leaf is the rookie card to own. I don't see that ever changing.

[irv]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

$800K hammer price, $960K w/ BP

Wow, just under a million.

Thank you!

[LincolnVT]

Tough to find a numerically graded example under 10k these days. Great looking card and a key high number of the 1952 Topps set. Important card on many fronts.

Originally Posted by irv

Wow, just under a million.

Thank you!

[packs]

There is enough evidence, as the Goldin description points out, that the cards were available in mostly every major American city and even Canada. If something is available in every major city it is nationally distributed in my opinion.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by packs

There is enough evidence, as the Goldin description points out, that the cards were available in mostly every major American city and even Canada. If something is available in every major city it is nationally distributed in my opinion.

Not only that, the evidence Goldin cites shows that the portrait was first in 1947 but the next six cards were issued in 1948, BEFORE the Leaf card. So, there are seven different cards from this issue that absolutely predate the Leaf card. Then there are the rounded-corner set of 48 cards. That one also predates the 1949-issued Leaf card. Also, the Jackie Robinson Exhibit card was issued 1949 or earlier.

[LincolnVT]

Reguardless of which card is his Rookie, we are talking about the next big card in this thread. Both the Leaf and the 1952 Topps are gaining much more quickly than the Bond Bread cards...likely because they are more widely recognized and key cards to multi-player sets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Parade Sportive predates any of the ones just discussed.

[packs]

Originally Posted by LincolnVT

Reguardless of which card is his Rookie, we are talking about the next big card in this thread. Both the Leaf and the 1952 Topps are gaining much more quickly than the Bond Bread cards...likely because they are more widely recognized and key cards to multi-player sets.

I was bringing the Bond Bread Portrait up because I think it is the next big card. It is one of the most historically significant baseball cards ever issued (in my opinion).

[71buc]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Not only that, the evidence Goldin cites shows that the portrait was first in 1947 but the next six cards were issued in 1948, BEFORE the Leaf card. So, there are seven different cards from this issue that absolutely predate the Leaf card. Then there are the rounded-corner set of 48 cards. That one also predates the 1949-issued Leaf card. Also, the Jackie Robinson Exhibit card was issued 1949 or earlier.

Goldin and PSA are both wrong this photo was shot on 7/2/49 so it’s impossible that it appeared in 1947 or 1948. I believe some of the original Bond Bread cards were issued into the early 1950s. https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52265

[scmavl]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Goldin and PSA are both wrong this photo was shot on 7/2/49 so it’s impossible that it appeared in 1947 or 1948. I believe some of the original Bond Bread cards were issued into the early 1950s.

Then I think Ted Z would like to have a word with you...

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Goldin and PSA are both wrong this photo was shot on 7/2/49 so it’s impossible that it appeared in 1947 or 1948. I believe some of the original Bond Bread cards were issued into the early 1950s. https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52265

A complete and utter technicality that has no bearing on anything (and perhaps everyone already knows it), but I wanted to point out that the photograph is not the picture on the card. If you look at the white of Robinson's sock disappearing into the ump, and the position of his hat flying away, you can see there is a split second time difference there.

And now we return you to your regular programming...

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Goldin and PSA are both wrong this photo was shot on 7/2/49 so it’s impossible that it appeared in 1947 or 1948. I believe some of the original Bond Bread cards were issued into the early 1950s. https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52265

Good catch Mike - That calls into question the dating of the issue!

[packs]

Originally Posted by rats60

When the term "rookie card" was defined in the early 80s this was discussed. Nationally issued means the card is available to the majority collectors, not just a few in certain areas of the country. Bond Bread is the definition of regional. The only myth being spread is that something other than the Leaf and Bowman are rookie cards. Judging from Goldin last night, most of the hobby's opinion is still the Leaf is the rookie card to own. I don't see that ever changing.

The Leaf’s take off is extremely recent. I don’t think you can say things won’t change. In the time that the Leaf was taking off there haven’t really been too many sales of the Bond Bread Portrait card. If some were to hit the block right now I think you’d see a significant jump in the sale price of the Bond Bread too.

Definitions are what you make of them. The Bond Bread portrait card is one of the most significant issues in baseball card history and its place should be higher whether it’s “regional” or not. It predates the Leaf by at least a year and in some cases 2 years since Leaf was issued into 1949.

[Exhibitman]

if the 'rookie' is predated by other cards, often for years, then what's the point of the 'rookie' designation other than marketing? As I pointed out, and as Ted Z will attest, the Leaf was not issued in 1948, it was issued in 1949. That makes the 1949 Bowman just as much of a RC.