The Next "Big Cards"

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by packs

Even if it the set doesn't meet the same definition as Leaf, the significance of the Portrait card should outweigh anything else. It is without a doubt the very first card of Jackie and the very first appearance of an African American in an MLB uniform on a card.

This Goldin write up has a nice summary on its distribution history:

https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=27398

That is a nice write up. According to the article, these should not be looked at as a regional issue as they were distributed throughout the country. I do think that perspective is gaining steam. As the "regional issue" myth diminishes these should compete or even surpass the Leaf at some point. The Bond Bread is just too important of an issue on so many levels not to be seen as more important than the Leaf. But that's just my opinion.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

That is a nice write up. According to the article, these should not be looked at as a regional issue as they were distributed throughout the country. I do think that perspective is gaining steam. As the "regional issue" myth diminishes these should compete or even surpass the Leaf at some point. The Bond Bread is just too important of an issue on so many levels not to be seen as more important than the Leaf. But that's just my opinion.

Black neighborhoods in a few cities is not a national issue. AHs write up whatever they want to sell a card. The Goldin Leaf 7 ended up at 392k. I don't ever see a regional competing with the Leaf RC.

[DeanH3]

We are all entitled to our opinions. But as long as AH's keep propagating that the Leaf is his rookie, like you said, just to sell a card, then that myth will continue. You can split whatever hair you want in defining what the definition of a "national issue" means. But to me if they were available in other cities, even if it was only in black neighborhoods, then that counts. I could be wrong and the Leaf reigns supreme. But, as more people are educated on the Bond Bread set the perception could change.

[Exhibitman]

The 1948 Swell Sports Thrills predates the Leaf Robinson...

[packs]

It is a historically significant card. That should supersede anything about the Leaf. I believe in time it will.

[irv]

Off topic, but can someone tell me what this PSA 9 Jackie finished for tonight including the BP.
https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT77920.aspx

[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by irv

Off topic, but can someone tell me what this PSA 9 Jackie finished for tonight including the BP.
https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT77920.aspx

$800K hammer price, $960K w/ BP

[rats60]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

We are all entitled to our opinions. But as long as AH's keep propagating that the Leaf is his rookie, like you said, just to sell a card, then that myth will continue. You can split whatever hair you want in defining what the definition of a "national issue" means. But to me if they were available in other cities, even if it was only in black neighborhoods, then that counts. I could be wrong and the Leaf reigns supreme. But, as more people are educated on the Bond Bread set the perception could change.

When the term "rookie card" was defined in the early 80s this was discussed. Nationally issued means the card is available to the majority collectors, not just a few in certain areas of the country. Bond Bread is the definition of regional. The only myth being spread is that something other than the Leaf and Bowman are rookie cards. Judging from Goldin last night, most of the hobby's opinion is still the Leaf is the rookie card to own. I don't see that ever changing.

[irv]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

$800K hammer price, $960K w/ BP

Wow, just under a million.

Thank you!

[LincolnVT]

Tough to find a numerically graded example under 10k these days. Great looking card and a key high number of the 1952 Topps set. Important card on many fronts.

Originally Posted by irv

Wow, just under a million.

Thank you!

[packs]

There is enough evidence, as the Goldin description points out, that the cards were available in mostly every major American city and even Canada. If something is available in every major city it is nationally distributed in my opinion.

[packs]

Originally Posted by rats60

When the term "rookie card" was defined in the early 80s this was discussed. Nationally issued means the card is available to the majority collectors, not just a few in certain areas of the country. Bond Bread is the definition of regional. The only myth being spread is that something other than the Leaf and Bowman are rookie cards. Judging from Goldin last night, most of the hobby's opinion is still the Leaf is the rookie card to own. I don't see that ever changing.

The Leaf’s take off is extremely recent. I don’t think you can say things won’t change. In the time that the Leaf was taking off there haven’t really been too many sales of the Bond Bread Portrait card. If some were to hit the block right now I think you’d see a significant jump in the sale price of the Bond Bread too.

Definitions are what you make of them. The Bond Bread portrait card is one of the most significant issues in baseball card history and its place should be higher whether it’s “regional” or not. It predates the Leaf by at least a year and in some cases 2 years since Leaf was issued into 1949.

[Exhibitman]

if the 'rookie' is predated by other cards, often for years, then what's the point of the 'rookie' designation other than marketing? As I pointed out, and as Ted Z will attest, the Leaf was not issued in 1948, it was issued in 1949. That makes the 1949 Bowman just as much of a RC.