FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If AJ was made aware in Aug 2020 that the card he bought in July 2020 was altered why did he happen to wait until now to explore a buy back from PSA?

AJ had recourse with the eBay seller to return the card but he clearly opted not to. The card was good enough for him then when it was worth 17500 but not now when it is worth 45K? Am I missing something?

Yes after I was alerted in 2020 I notified PSA and got no response. It was also well past the return date. Besides why would I return it, so the seller could resale to some other unsuspecting collector? Once prices started accelerating over the last 60 days, I decided to find out what the market would bring so I could revisit with PSA. Now that I know it's worth approx $45k in this market, I can hopefully force PSA to deal with this (it's in their best interest to do so now before it appreciates further).

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Yes after I was alerted in 2020 I notified PSA and got no response. It was also well past the return date. Besides why would I return it, so the seller could resale to some other unsuspecting collector? Once prices started accelerating over the last 60 days, I decided to find out what the market would bring so I could revisit with PSA. Now that I know it's worth approx $45k in this market, I can hopefully force PSA to deal with this (it's in their best interest to do so now before it appreciates further).

If you were curious about a current market value, why not just ask instead of listing it to look like a legitimate sale in BST? Judging by your asking price, it looks like you had some idea of value.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Jim65

If you were curious about a current market value, why not just ask instead of listing it to look like a legitimate sale in BST? Judging by your asking price, it looks like you had some idea of value.

The Plot Thickens.......

[68Hawk]

I don't think there's a major problem asking for offers to determine value of the Jackie.
There's a huuuuge difference between what people 'think' is it's value, based on things as varied as what THEY would feel comfortable paying theoretically if they had the money, to what they last saw one sell at (could be 6 months previous), to even personal discrimination based on the issue itself or it's aesthetics.

Getting hard offers from buyers willing to commit their funds to a real purchase is a series of true numbers you can work from realistically and refer to.

Of course, with every offer the OP should have been contacting the interested party to let them know why he had created the BST thread, to thank them for their interest and to ask if they would not bomb the exercise for a pre-determined time so he could gather enough evidence.
No idea if the OP did this though.

He should have then started a fresh thread to discuss why he made the Sale thread and to encourage discussion of his situation.
Being called to do so by others sure makes him seem less hobby pure and creates the idea he might have actually been willing to let go of his problem to someone else for the right number.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I don't think there's a major problem asking for offers to determine value of the Jackie.
There's a huuuuge difference between what people 'think' is it's value, based on things as varied as what THEY would feel comfortable paying theoretically if they had the money, to what they last saw one sell at (could be 6 months previous), to even personal discrimination based on the issue itself or it's aesthetics.

Getting hard offers from buyers willing to commit their funds to a real purchase is a series of true numbers you can work from realistically and refer to.

Of course, with every offer the OP should have been contacting the interested party to let them know why he had created the BST thread, to thank them for their interest and to ask if they would not bomb the exercise for a pre-determined time so he could gather enough evidence.
No idea if the OP did this though.

He should have then started a fresh thread to discuss why he made the Sale thread and to encourage discussion of his situation.
Being called to do so by others sure makes him seem less hobby pure and creates the idea he might have actually been willing to let go of his problem to someone else for the right number.

His original listing says $55,000. It doesn't say "or BO", nowhere does it even mention offers.

[AGuinness]

My two cents - first off it's sad that the hobby needs to deal with this situation and will have to continue to do so thanks to those who are willing (and greedy enough) to alter cards for profit.
Second, when it comes to this board, I would have reached out to Leon to clear this experiment by him before posting. It's his board, he's done an excellent job of running it and he deserves the respect of a heads-up on something like this.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I don't think there's a major problem asking for offers to determine value of the Jackie.
There's a huuuuge difference between what people 'think' is it's value, based on things as varied as what THEY would feel comfortable paying theoretically if they had the money, to what they last saw one sell at (could be 6 months previous), to even personal discrimination based on the issue itself or it's aesthetics.

Getting hard offers from buyers willing to commit their funds to a real purchase is a series of true numbers you can work from realistically and refer to.

Of course, with every offer the OP should have been contacting the interested party to let them know why he had created the BST thread, to thank them for their interest and to ask if they would not bomb the exercise for a pre-determined time so he could gather enough evidence.
No idea if the OP did this though.

He should have then started a fresh thread to discuss why he made the Sale thread and to encourage discussion of his situation.
Being called to do so by others sure makes him seem less hobby pure and creates the idea he might have actually been willing to let go of his problem to someone else for the right number.

Didn't get any offers from the BST here, but got a ton from ebay and two from private parties. Could have easily sold it many times.

Far too invested in the hobby to burn someone else with a possibly trimmed card. I also don't blame the guy who sold it to me on ebay. I'm sure he had no idea.

Originally Posted by Jim65

His original listing says $55,000. It doesn't say "or BO", nowhere does it even mention offers.

The pricing was strategic (including no obo in listing). Too low and I'd get too many inquires and have to give lots of explanations after. Just high enough to get a serious market offer.

Originally Posted by AGuinness

My two cents - first off it's sad that the hobby needs to deal with this situation and will have to continue to do so thanks to those who are willing (and greedy enough) to alter cards for profit.
Second, when it comes to this board, I would have reached out to Leon to clear this experiment by him before posting. It's his board, he's done an excellent job of running it and he deserves the respect of a heads-up on something like this.

Agree with this. Hindsight should have told Leon beforehand.

End of the day, the plan worked. I was able to get real market rate offers having placed card on multiple platforms in order to show PSA. And as a bonus generated some talk about this situation so I can leverage with PSA.