CSG Card Grading Comp - 1st card on Ebay???

[Leon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That was not the "finished product" for CSG. There is a nearly identical video of Scott A. breaking open PSA cases by hand, with relative ease. Both CSG and PSA have subsequently made it far tougher to open the slabs without breaking them.

That is good to hear. Slabs have to at least be difficult to get into.

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[DanP]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is good to hear. Slabs have to at least be difficult to get into.

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I plan on sending 20 cards to CSG by next week. I'll send one that I plan on trying to crack open and report how I did. I'm really hoping the CSG and HGA are the real deal. I love BGS and PSA but welcome some competition (we all should).

[h2oya311]

Dan - I would love to see the results of your crack test. I would love to hear how easy (or not) it is from someone I trust. No offense to others on this forum or for those who have heard from the owner or those who anonymously responded on YouTube. A true test from a rookie card collecting Net54 legend would be welcomed by all, well, at least by me!

[D. Bergin]

Looks like this seller from Florida has a bunch of CSG graded cards up for auction now.

Looks like all super-modern stuff, so no idea how it would compare price-wise to the other TPG's.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Panini...EAAOSwDVBgP88I

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Looks like this seller from Florida has a bunch of CSG graded cards up for auction now.

Looks like all super-modern stuff, so no idea how it would compare price-wise to the other TPG's.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Panini...EAAOSwDVBgP88I

Gotta say, their plastic slabs are very optically clear and nice looking.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Gotta say, their plastic slabs are very optically clear and nice looking.

what time do you have to go into work at CSG tomorrow?

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

what time do you have to go into work at CSG tomorrow?

Don't work there, won't be sending them any of my cards, but I sure am partial to optically clear plastic.

I've bought all kinds of plastic polishes for my slabs because hazy ones really do detract from the experience of looking at the cardboard.
Haven't really fallen for any of them, and nervous to use the ones meant for car lens cleaning.
The slab is like a window to the soul for the neat freak, and a super clean one is just yummy.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by DanP

I plan on sending 20 cards to CSG by next week. I'll send one that I plan on trying to crack open and report how I did. I'm really hoping the CSG and HGA are the real deal. I love BGS and PSA but welcome some competition (we all should).

Dan, now that is clear that you have a personal issue with SGC, can you share what exactly that is? Do you believe HGA and CSG will have the same resale value of PSA?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Makes sense that it's a comic book store from Florida first to market. They're local and already have a relationship with CGC/CSG

[bobbyw8469]

$510. Is that good?

[toledo_mudhen]

and then CSG says that this is "1st Card Graded" - Lebron Refractor Rookie

I think it's only natural that PWCC would own it (at the moment)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Topps-...5/224370194054

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

and then CSG says that this is "1st Card Graded" - Lebron Refractor Rookie

I think it's only natural that PWCC would own it (at the moment)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Topps-...5/224370194054

Hmmm...it might be....I was just listing the first one I saw posted on Ebay. Makes you wonder about things. I want to see them succeed.

[bobbyw8469]

Noticed the Herbert also ended in serial number 00001.....Trying to figure out their serial numbering system.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

Dan, now that is clear that you have a personal issue with SGC, can you share what exactly that is? Do you believe HGA and CSG will have the same resale value of PSA?

Hi Wid,

No, I don't have a personal issue with SGC. I stated in a recent post that SGC is the place to go for pre-war. I believe their prices are comparable and sometimes even better than PSA for pre-war cards.

Below are my observations and opinions about SGC.
1. Their slab is unacceptable. It is incredibly easy to open and if careful, I believe someone could open it without any scratches. This means that someone could easily insert a fake or lower graded card and resell it. See my attached picture of a card I recently broke out.
2. I would not even consider using them for post-war and absolutely not for modern. I am using PSA and Beckett for modern and will be trying CSG and HGA (didn't win the lottery last week).

No one knows how HGA and CSG will hold up vs. PSA. So far I see that they are doing quite well but only time will tell if that will continue.

Take care!

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by DanP

Hi Wid,

No, I don't have a personal issue with SGC. I stated in a recent post that SGC is the place to go for pre-war. I believe their prices are comparable and sometimes even better than PSA for pre-war cards.

Below are my observations and opinions about SGC.
1. Their slab is unacceptable. It is incredibly easy to open and if careful, I believe someone could open it without any scratches. This means that someone could easily insert a fake or lower graded card and resell it. See my attached picture of a card I recently broke out.
2. I would not even consider using them for post-war and absolutely not for modern. I am using PSA and Beckett for modern and will be trying CSG and HGA (didn't win the lottery last week).

No one knows how HGA and CSG will hold up vs. PSA. So far I see that they are doing quite well but only time will tell if that will continue.

Take care!

Thanks, I actually was not aware of this. I will definitely make sure to carefully examine the card when buying graded. And stick to reputable sellers.

[D. Bergin]

Well, after sending in my very 1st PSA Card grading submission (8 cards Express) the day before they doubled their prices (my first card submission ever), I decided to give CSG a try.

Just sent out 19 cards ($15 level). Mostly oddball and odd-sized multi-sport foreign issue stuff from the 70's-90's.

Not a standard sized card in the bunch. Should be real annoying for them.

We'll see how it goes.

[hockeyhockey]

do you have to be a "member" of csg to submit cards to them? i see there's a free member option and other paid options - does the free membership allow for you to submit?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by DanP

Hi Wid,

No, I don't have a personal issue with SGC. I stated in a recent post that SGC is the place to go for pre-war. I believe their prices are comparable and sometimes even better than PSA for pre-war cards.

Below are my observations and opinions about SGC.
1. Their slab is unacceptable. It is incredibly easy to open and if careful, I believe someone could open it without any scratches. This means that someone could easily insert a fake or lower graded card and resell it. See my attached picture of a card I recently broke out.
2. I would not even consider using them for post-war and absolutely not for modern. I am using PSA and Beckett for modern and will be trying CSG and HGA (didn't win the lottery last week).

No one knows how HGA and CSG will hold up vs. PSA. So far I see that they are doing quite well but only time will tell if that will continue.

Take care!

I have never seen a SGC slab that was busted open that could be put back together and not be extremely noticeable that it has been cracked open.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have never seen a SGC slab that was busted open that could be put back together and not be extremely noticeable that it has been cracked open.

Here you go, incredibly easy. One little slip with a very small screwdriver and the case came apart. I showed it to two people in person and both could not tell where I opened it. If you really looked closely you can tell, but how many people examine every slab (I do)?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

How the hell did that Mays grade a 2.5?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by DanP

Here you go, incredibly easy. One little slip with a very small screwdriver and the case came apart. I showed it to two people in person and both could not tell where I opened it. If you really looked closely you can tell, but how many people examine every slab (I do)?

If the person knows nothing about SGC slabs you might be able to get one past them, just like the old PSA slabs.

Try putting a junk card in one and glue the slab back together and then look at how easy it is to see it has been cracked open. There is a big difference between just setting a cracked slab back together and actually putting a card in one and trying to reseal it in my personal experience. I do agree it is very hard to tell from a pic at a angle.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by DanP

Here you go, incredibly easy. One little slip with a very small screwdriver and the case came apart. I showed it to two people in person and both could not tell where I opened it. If you really looked closely you can tell, but how many people examine every slab (I do)?

I've never found any of the slabs easy to open myself, Beckett being the hardest.
From any of the TPG's I have to use pliers to break off a corner of the slab, then run a flat head screwdriver through the space opened. Even then it's often pretty hair raising as I work down one side of the slab and pray I don't run into the card.
Slabs are always mangled afterwards, no chance of passing as othewise.

Never noticed any possible point in a closed slab to simply ease a small screw driver in and pry it open in c'est la vie fashion.

[jb67]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have never seen a SGC slab that was busted open that could be put back together and not be extremely noticeable that it has been cracked open.

I can assure you that they can be put back together without obvious signs. I received a rare Johnny Bench card I bought and when it arrived in the SGC holder it all but came apart without me even trying to open it. It was a hard to find card so I did not return and subbed it to SGC again (PSA no longer grades this card). I was shocked at how clean the slab had come apart. I could put it back together and you could not tell.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jb67

I can assure you that they can be put back together without obvious signs. I received a rare Johnny Bench card I bought and when it arrived in the SGC holder it all but came apart without me even trying to open it. It was a hard to find card so I did not return and subbed it to SGC again (PSA no longer grades this card). I was shocked at how clean the slab had come apart. I could put it back together and you could not tell.

I would like to see that.