Hga card grading

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

SGC has been around for a long time. Their business is growing. not sure how you get to 'they may not survive'.

as a lover of slabs, how can you not like SGC?

SGC's retail value vs. PSA is terrible. When I buy an SGC card I expect to pay at least one grade lower than PSA. That is probably true with BGS and most definitely true with the new guys. I realize that's probably not true with some types of prewar cards that I no longer pay attention to.

I recently purchased an SGC card for a collection. I immediately took the card out of the slab. I could not believe how easy it was (even easier than PSA). I actually think I could have put a lesser graded card in there, sealed it back up without anyone knowing.

SGC is my least favorite slab. BGS was my favorite (nice looking, sturdy, almost impossible to bust open cleanly). However, I really believe the new guys are on to something with their design.

All that being said, SGC is the place to go along with PSA for pre-war. I don't expect any of the new companies to take any significant market share from them. So, you are correct, SGC will be around for a long time.

Thanks!

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by DanP

SGC's retail value vs. PSA is terrible. When I buy an SGC card I expect to pay at least one grade lower than PSA. That is probably true with BGS and most definitely true with the new guys. I realize that's probably not true with some types of prewar cards that I no longer pay attention to.

I recently purchased an SGC card for a collection. I immediately took the card out of the slab. I could not believe how easy it was (even easier than PSA). I actually think I could have put a lesser graded card in there, sealed it back up without anyone knowing.

SGC is my least favorite slab. BGS was my favorite (nice looking, sturdy, almost impossible to bust open cleanly). However, I really believe the new guys are on to something with their design.

All that being said, SGC is the place to go along with PSA for pre-war. I don't expect any of the new companies to take any significant market share from them. So, you are correct, SGC will be around for a long time.

Thanks!

Are you getting this discount in modern? I do not collect modern so I do not know.

The premium is due to collectors willing to pay for a slab to put in registry. has nothing to do with stricter grading standards or any other mythology. I also notice that SGC cards do not sell as often and IMO the perceived PSA premium also includes a lag effect because the latest SGC sales price is not as up to date. I have not seen any discount at Heritage or REA on SGC slabs. There is so much talk around a pricing discount, but I have never been able to buy an SGC slabbed card for a discount. Perhaps this anomaly is most pronounced ultra-high valued cards? not a space I traffic in.

if anyone wants to sell me SGC 6-8s of Hall of Famers from the 50s-70s, I'll put out a standing offer to pay market rate of PSA-1 grade on new slabs. I won't hold my breath waiting for my inbox to explode.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

Are you getting this discount in modern? I do not collect modern so I do not know.

The premium is due to collectors willing to pay for a slab to put in registry. has nothing to do with stricter grading standards or any other mythology. I also notice that SGC cards do not sell as often and IMO the perceived PSA premium also includes a lag effect because the latest SGC sales price is not as up to date. I have not seen any discount at Heritage or REA on SGC slabs. There is so much talk around a pricing discount, but I have never been able to buy an SGC slabbed card for a discount. Perhaps this anomaly is most pronounced ultra-high valued cards? not a space I traffic in.

if anyone wants to sell me SGC 6-8s of Hall of Famers from the 50s-70s, I'll put out a standing offer to pay market rate of PSA-1 grade on new slabs. I won't hold my breath waiting for my inbox to explode.

+1. Admittedly, it is difficult to determine much in the recent market, and VCP has become less useful in the short term for anything but frequently purchased cards. But, I've been putting together a '33 Goudey graded set over the last 3 months, and my experience with these cards is that there is no PSA premium at all, Ebay, Heritage, REA, or otherwise. I often get the sense that I'm bidding against other collectors who are also buying the card & not the slab, based on prices realized. I've bought many other non-Goudey prewar cards as well and I've similarly noticed no PSA premium there either. They're all expensive!

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

Are you getting this discount in modern? I do not collect modern so I do not know.

The premium is due to collectors willing to pay for a slab to put in registry. has nothing to do with stricter grading standards or any other mythology. I also notice that SGC cards do not sell as often and IMO the perceived PSA premium also includes a lag effect because the latest SGC sales price is not as up to date. I have not seen any discount at Heritage or REA on SGC slabs. There is so much talk around a pricing discount, but I have never been able to buy an SGC slabbed card for a discount. Perhaps this anomaly is most pronounced ultra-high valued cards? not a space I traffic in.

if anyone wants to sell me SGC 6-8s of Hall of Famers from the 50s-70s, I'll put out a standing offer to pay market rate of PSA-1 grade on new slabs. I won't hold my breath waiting for my inbox to explode.

First card I looked at on VCP. Leaving the card detail out

[Exhibitman]

I have my doubts.



This Rice does not look right...Check it against this one:



The borders, colors, image. I think HGA graded a counterfeit card.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I have my doubts.

The borders, colors, image. I think HGA graded a counterfeit card.

Not to mention, assuming it's real, it doesn't seem like a 9. Does it?

[68Hawk]

That Rice is definitely not 'right'.
What you've pointed out as well as the left and right borders look narrow, and right border looks wavy as hell.
Would not be happy paying Mint 9 money and receiving that card from ANY TPG.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

That Rice is definitely not 'right'.
What you've pointed out as well as the left and right borders look narrow, and right border looks wavy as hell.
Would not be happy paying Mint 9 money and receiving that card from ANY TPG.

On the top card, upper left corner near the Topps logo, does the green border look colored?

[DanP]

We all know we can't always trust completed sales, but here's the first comp. My son-in-law loved the look of the HGA slabs. As I noted, I believe the younger generation will welcome HGA but not if they are slabbing fake/reprint/counterfeit cards!

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Mark17

On the top card, upper left corner near the Topps logo, does the green border look colored?

Not sure, but the card could use a coat of varnish.

[SD]

Wow, that definitely looks like a reprint. The color is terrible compared to the psa.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I have my doubts.



This Rice does not look right...Check it against this one:



The borders, colors, image. I think HGA graded a counterfeit card.

[SD]

Looks like neither are accepting pre war until April at the earliest.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by DanP

First card I looked at on VCP. Leaving the card detail out

cant see anything on that pic... cant see the dates. is it modern?
the average does not matter, because to my earlier point I am certain way more PSA sales happen. and the averages can be skewed due to the way VCP calculates it. I think they use something like last 20 sales, but if there are less than 20 in a year, it uses the full year. so you'd have much more recent sales included in the PSA #s

I am interested to see the pricing over the most recent dates (if they even exist for SGC)

[Kaneen]

This is a small sample size, obviously, but I seem to notice things like this fairly often. These are from recent Heritage Auction that ended this past Sunday evening.

PSA vs SGC
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PSA vs Beckett:
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[pherbener]

Maybe it's just me as a photo guy but the pictures of the "reprints" just seem off.. looks fuzzy

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Kaneen

This is a small sample size, obviously, but I seem to notice things like this fairly often. These are from recent Heritage Auction that ended this past Sunday evening.

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That's about what I've seen also and has built steadily over the last 2 years.
PSA trading at anywhere from 20%-35% over BGS and SGC.
Less noticeable as you go down to cards under $400.
Veeeery noticeable at cards over $2k

You're losing considerable money on high end cards if you're outside of a PSA slab, and it has nothing to do with the optics of the paper within.

Still, I think that's where value lies in buying BGS and SGC.
Down the road I think a definitive best TPG will emerge that uses AI that is so clearly consistent and identifiable in it's estimation that most people will transition to whoever that is.
So ALL the cards, in the end, if you hold them long term, will be worth what they should be worth when measured fairly and equally against one another.

I'm gonna call 20 years time.

[Jobu]

The colors are deceiving here as the HGA card is a photo with a flash (look how bright the case is, especially the bottom) while the PSA card is a scan that is on the dull side. With that said, I definitely see what people are saying about the edges of the HGA card.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

cant see anything on that pic... cant see the dates. is it modern?
the average does not matter, because to my earlier point I am certain way more PSA sales happen. and the averages can be skewed due to the way VCP calculates it. I think they use something like last 20 sales, but if there are less than 20 in a year, it uses the full year. so you'd have much more recent sales included in the PSA #s

I am interested to see the pricing over the most recent dates (if they even exist for SGC)

If you want to believe that SGC is on par with PSA pricing that's fine. I'm not going to argue with you. Just look at the major auction house results and you'll see what I'm talking about. I agree that's not true on all cards, especially pre-war. The two players I looked at quickly were the last sales of a 1993 SP Jeter and 1965 Topps Carlton RC. Looking at VCP it's obvious that people will pay more for PSA. It's almost all about the PSA Registry. There's no need to respond. We both can continue buying and selling in the best manner that works for each of us.

[SD]

Unfortunately, I agree with you 100%. Something about having your sets be in the same slabs is important to allot of collectors. PSA knows people are willing to pay a premium to achieve that. Ive never heard anyone say they where crossing over their PSA slabs to any other grader except with my kids Pokemon.

Originally Posted by DanP

If you want to believe that SGC is on par with PSA pricing that's fine. I'm not going to argue with you. Just look at the major auction house results and you'll see what I'm talking about. I agree that's not true on all cards, especially pre-war. The two players I looked at quickly were the last sales of a 1993 SP Jeter and 1965 Topps Carlton RC. Looking at VCP it's obvious that people will pay more for PSA. It's almost all about the PSA Registry. There's no need to respond. We both can continue buying and selling in the best manner that works for each of us.