SMH -- about a million trimmed Leafs posted on Blowout

[swarmee]

CaptSpaulding was making one and Peter would cross-post it over here. But just searching the Cert number is inadequate. Maybe searching the first six digits of the cert number would get you the majority of cards listed which were in the same submission, because any card in the same submission as a trimmed card would also be suspect.

Also, there are many posted that are just in screen captures. So not text searchable.

Oh, and PWCC's Brent Huigens mentioned during his famous Youtube interview that he would create a database of known trimmed cert numbers, but it hasn't come out since it's not Monday yet...

[Peter_Spaeth]

For a PSA card the best way to research it IMO, in addition of course to seeing who is selling it and to scrutinize the scan closely and the card when you get it, is to search the cert and surrounding certs on the PSA website. They provide key information such as who first sold the card, if they are able to pick that up from ebay or certain auctions. And sometimes you just get a bad gut feel from what else is in the sub, like if it's all 10s on modern stuff.

I don't think anyone has a complete database of outed certs. I had one for a while but didn't keep up with it after early 2020. In any event the outed certs are, IMO, a small fraction of the altered cards out there. Probably very small.

If you care, do your diligence.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For a PSA card the best way to research it IMO, in addition of course to seeing who is selling it and to scrutinize the scan closely and the card when you get it, is to search the cert and surrounding certs on the PSA website. They provide key information such as who first sold the card, if they are able to pick that up from ebay or certain auctions. And sometimes you just get a bad gut feel from what else is in the sub, like if it's all 10s on modern stuff.

I don't think anyone has a complete database of outed certs. I had one for a while but didn't keep up with it after early 2020. In any event the outed certs are, IMO, a small fraction of the altered cards out there. Probably very small.

If you care, do your diligence.

Completely agree. Even though BODA has exposed thousands of altered cards in PSA numbered slabs, there are easily a dozen times this number in circulation.

[perezfan]

Glad I collected my Leafs when I did. I would not even touch them today, given their extreme uncertainty and PSA's incompetence/favoritism.

Note how virtually all of the new revelations on Blowout are PSA-graded. The BODA sleuths provide a more invaluable service than PSA... and for no fees whatsoever. Those guys truly are a blessing to the hobby.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Note how virtually all of the new revelations on Blowout are PSA-graded. The BODA sleuths provide a more invaluable service than PSA... and for no fees whatsoever. Those guys truly are a blessing to the hobby.

That's because that's where the money is. The fact that the majority of outed ones were also previously in PSA holders is one of the main reasons they're findable: VCP, PWCC, Worthpoint, etc. The original sales provide a helpful timeline to reduce the scope of a certain card of which ones could be the same card pre or post-alteration.

Will Nat Turner be the savior of PSA? Or will he roll with the company line? By retaining Joe Orlando, I think we see the initial answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would still like to understand what legitimate reason SGC had for moving to random certs.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would still like to understand what legitimate reason SGC had for moving to random certs.

Zero! Same with not being able to look up a cert #.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by aconte

Zero! Same with not being able to look up a cert #.

And for that matter, at one point this company did have a guaranty on their grading which seems to be gone or someplace I cannot seem to find.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by aconte

Zero! Same with not being able to look up a cert #.

You can't look up cert numbers with SGC? I didn't know that.

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[vthobby]

Originally Posted by todeen

You can't look up cert numbers with SGC? I didn't know that.

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Tim, Don't believe everything you read. You can.

https://gosgc.com/auth-code

Peace, Mike