New Grading Company - CSG

[Pre War Starter]

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by Pre War Starter

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?

I have never seen the need for Qualifiers on any card. The final grade is what it is. I couldn't care less about edge numbers, corner numbers or anything else.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Frank A

I have never seen the need for Qualifiers on any card. The final grade is what it is. I couldn't care less about edge numbers, corner numbers or anything else.

The qualifiers are an option, for which the submitter will pay a nominal fee. For vintage, I agree there is no need. If/when I submit, I will not request the qualifiers. But I believe many of the modern card collectors may opt for it.

I hope CSG is indeed reading this and can respond to some of the Forum's basic concerns. As the "new kid on the block", you'd think/hope they would be extra-responsive to consumer inquiries. If people get the sense that GSC cares (and is responsive), it would give them an immediate leg up on their current competition.

I agree that the smaller square slab for Tobacco/Caramel cards may not be feasible or cost effective. But hopefully (especially as a new advertiser here) they can at least provide a response to concerns over the flip size and color, as it pertains to smaller-sized cards that are 100+ years old.

There is just no way that the flip size should be comparable to the cards themselves!

[buymycards]

I have been using SGC because I like the look of their slabs. I have about a dozen cards on my wall that were graded by PSA or Beckett, and a dozen or so raw cards. I had planned on sending them to SGC, but with the current mess at SGC I will hold off.

I agree with many of the other posters about the CSG slabs. They aren't very attractive and they haven't explained about their plans to keep the smaller cards from sliding around.


(The photo is actually a vertical wall. )

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by buymycards

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(The photo is actually a vertical wall, after the earthquake )

........ known as the great "Boscobellringer"

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

........ known as the great "Boscobellringer"

In Wisconsin, we keep our cards on a horizontal wall so they don't fall off during natural disasters.

[tab]

My first thought was that the flip looked a little large but that has me comparing to PSA and SGC.

I also remember when I first saw graded cards I thought they were just encased for protection and authenticated as real. I liked that idea at the time better than a number grade. Pre war cards could just be authenticated and on the back list qualifiers trimmed, altered, color added restored etc.

BUY the card and not the holder!

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I had planned on sending them to SGC, but with the current mess at SGC I will hold off.

What is the 'current mess' at SGC?

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

What is the 'current mess' at SGC?

The current mess at SGC is the raise in prices, coupled with missed deadlines. My last order took 4 months for them to grade. Add in the loss of the registry and the new pop report that made it even more inaccurate than the previous version, it all adds up to a mess.

[Blackie]

I remember several years ago SGC was great. I used to talk a lot with Earl Johnson whom worked there. Not sure what happened to him but he was a great guy. Turn around times used to be on point and never had issues with customer service. Just my opinion but it fell apart when they moved from parsipanny to florida……….or again it just seemed that way.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by buymycards

The current mess at SGC is the raise in prices, coupled with missed deadlines. My last order took 4 months for them to grade. Add in the loss of the registry and the new pop report that made it even more inaccurate than the previous version, it all adds up to a mess.

prices are better than the others, and the turnaround is faster. 4 months is nothing for a standard submission. BGS is 8 months. i think slack needs to be cut given the current environment. Registry/pop report I would guess is less of a priority given the massive wave of new business. TPGs just were not prepared for this new market.

[RayBShotz]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The qualifiers are an option, for which the submitter will pay a nominal fee. For vintage, I agree there is no need. If/when I submit, I will not request the qualifiers. But I believe many of the modern card collectors may opt for it.

If I read their website correct the qualifiers are far from "nominal".
Appears if you want sub grades you pay $10/card extra for those.
Do I have that right?
RayB

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by RayBShotz

If I read their website correct the qualifiers are far from "nominal".
Appears if you want sub grades you pay $10/card extra for those.
Do I have that right?
RayB

Yes you're right... not really nominal for cheaper cards. Somewhat nominal when looking at a percentage of the fees for high-end cards.

[steve B]

Looking at it from the angle of keeping costs down, a gasketed holder makes the most sense. Even with modern CNC machining, a set of dies for injection molding is a big investment.
3D printing has potential, but right now it's painfully slow, and isn't great for clear stuff.

So a size that can hold most "regular" cards and a gasket to adjust the size is the most cost effective.

I've thought for years that the gasket could be made in different colors. That would allow some customizing, like team colors, or even just a lighter choice for cards like 71 Topps or 50 Drakes.

I knew the square "thing" I mocked up wouldn't appeal to everyone, it's what I could do with the old image and paint in a few minutes. Plenty of room for improvement. There's really no big reason most T size cards couldn't be in a small slab. the 3x4 size of a toploader could be pretty good.

I've been trying to figure out a slab with a pocket to contain a detailed report/certificate.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Pre War Starter

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?

The only qualifiers I would need are trimmed, colored, or altered.